[talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:31:11 -0000
Yup, and that's why I'm not politically friendly when it comes to a lot
of organizations or companies that work in the blind world as it were. I
was in the institutionalised environment but I'm definitely one of the
ones who will fight back when necessary. Because you need to from time
to time and you do. Sometimes I'll just outright circumvent something I
don't care sometimes, if I feel it's necessary then yeah I'll do it
alright.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 14 November 2008 14:26
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
Well said.
Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
It's a 2 fold problem with our lot. In no particular order, we're taught
especially the pregens to just accept certain things and to be done with
it and this comes from various sources. Secondly a lot of blind people
are easily intimidated. This comes from I think a lot of the time by
living to much of a sheltered life in the hands of the institutions,
because they never allow you to grow emotionally and in other more
obvious ways. Also it's the fact that a lot of vi's feel vulnerable. So
a lot of people think that if you put up a fight then people will just
refuse to help you. The trouble is that never works because sometimes
unless you are willing to capsize the boat, then you aren't going to get
anywhere in life accept to be walked all over.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 14 November 2008 14:09
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
It is a pity that the visually impaired at the RNIB do not all get
together and say the organization needs a shake up. Years ago I went for
a job at the RNIB, I will not say what department, and the only reason I
was not selected was actually because I was visually impaired and don't
let anyone come on and say I am wrong because I went personally to the
man who interviewed me as his PA and he said to me that there were 3
people in for the job, a sighted person, myself and a deaf lady and he
felt that a sighted person was the only one who could do the job and had
that person turned it down then I was second choice. Well just as well
he would not have been a very nice
person to have worked with in any case if that was his attitude. Why I
did not go off and do something about it and ask him for his comments in
writing I will never know.
Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
Well, we all know that the rnib are a bunch of money grabbing morons,
but then again I think the majority of the blindness related charaties
are though.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amro Bilal
Sent: 14 November 2008 13:53
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
Eleanor, this is just un acceptable. Really outrageous. And I mean
outrageous. Have I expressed my feeling strongly enough? I'm glad I
didn't get mine from the RNIB. I bought Mine when I was travelling
abroad. I made sure that the warranty was an international one, BTW,
Tissot warranty is
international regardless from where you get your watch from. I noticed
After using it for few days that there was an issue with it. Sent it to
the dealer here in the UK. got it back repaired after a while but was
still not happy. Wrote to Tissot main offices in Switzerland saying that
I'm not pleased with my watch being repaired only after few days from
when I got it and I'd like a replacement. They asked me to post out the
watch and a month later they sent me a new one. That the kind of service
anyone would expect. I'm sorry for your terrible experience with the
RNIB.
Best,
Amro
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
I had one too Amro and when I accidentally dropped it twice within 5
minutes and it stopped working, sent it to RNIB they said they could not
repair it. I asked them to ask Tissot and they said they did. I did not
believe them. Then I asked to see where Tissot refused saying that it
would not release the part to RNIB. RNIB did not show me the
correspondance because of couorse there was none.It was a lovely Tissot
watch and cost £129.00 ladies one. I remember the gents one too, very
nice indeed.
Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amro Bilal" <Lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:59 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
> Umm, do you mean the Tissot TSilent? Sorry I've no link to provide.
> You could find your nearest Tissot dealer shop and pay them a visit.
There's
> one in Trafford Centre; you're in Manchester right? And as it happens,
the
> RNIB used to stock them *smile* but I don't know if they still do. If
you
> can get it through the RNIB you'd save the VAT. I can't remember how
much
> I paid for mine but it was something like £150/£200. I have an audio
> manual for it in MP3 format which I can happily email to you if that
> helps. It explains all about the watch. I'm off soon to Durham for the
> weekend so can send the MP3 file when I'm back.
>
> HTH,
> Amro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:24 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
>
>
> Can you post a link as to where we can learn about this watch?
>
>
>
> Neil Barnfather
> WFA List Administrator
> Talks Users Host
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Amro Bilal
> Sent: 14 November 2008 10:41
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
>
> Neil, how about the Tissot TSilent? Elegant, good brand and appealing
> to both sighted and blind people alike. With its touch sensitive face
> it's the coolest gadget I've seen in the past few years me thinks!
> Tissot designed that watch to be used by the sighted user but added
> the pulsing feature to make it usable by the VI. Don't I just love
> this philosophy; that what manufacturers should aim for where ever is
> possible. The new IPods are another example of that. I'll let you in
> on another secret! I was told that Citizen is following suit and
> they're designing a watch that won't
look
> less
>
> appealing than the TSilent. Instead of the pulses, the Citizen watch
> will use intermittent beeps to indicate the time. However, I've never
seen that
> promised watch; a Citizen dealer mentioned it to me and said that
it's
> to
>
> be released in the very near future. I'm just waiting to test it
> myself and see if it really can be used by the blind and then
> definitely will
post a
> message about it, after I get myself one of course! :)
>
> Cheers,
> Amro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:47 AM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
>
>
> I agree,
>
> Does anyone out there know where we can buy aesthetically pleasing
> blind watches etc? there must be a supplier out there?
>
>
>
> Neil Barnfather
> WFA List Administrator
> Talks Users Host
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Amro Bilal
> Sent: 14 November 2008 00:26
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
>
> I usually avoid I agree messages, but very well said, Matt.
>
> Cheers,
> Amro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:33 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
>
>
> I just can't understand why RNIB and various other commercial
> companies haven't cottoned on to the idea that not all blind people
> are stereo-typical dark glasses, white stick and nasty tacky plastic
> rooster touting talking watch kind of people! None of the talking
> watches available are particularly sexy to look at lets face it,
> especially not compared to watches for
fully
> sighted people, not even the metal ones.
>
> I've seen some incredibly sexy rectangular face watches for fully
> sighteds that just look like they're a continuation of the wrist
> strap, and something like that would be really nice with a voice.
>
> I know someone is bound to say that the components required to make a
> watch talk are too bulky for such a design, but that's utter nonsense!
> The components can be made to fit a much smaller housing than the
> talking watch housings currently available.
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:09 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
>
>
> Oh you mean that stupid excuse for a mobile phone, that is so
> rediculously expensive, so revolutionary that you can't even text
> properly on it? I looked at one and all I wanted to do when I saw it
> was to put my foot through it. What a peace of junk of I ever did see
> one!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> Sent: 13 November 2008 17:06
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
>
>
> OMG yes I had forgotten about those.
>
> Eleanor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara Wilson" <barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:00 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: RNIB Bashing!
>
>
>> Hmm, that rooster really gets on my nerves. Still, guess it's not
>> quite as bad as the farmyard animals on their mobile phone!
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>> Get listed, network or find a business at an online directory of
>> businesses owned and run by disabled people and associated support
>> and
>
>> advisory organisations:
>> www.barkingbabs.co.uk
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:50 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] RNIB Bashing!
>>
>>
>> Barbra,
>>
>> More to the point why do they insist on making the Alarms and clock
>> announcements so dam noisy! We're blind not deaf after all!
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil Barnfather
>> WFA List Administrator
>> Talks Users Host
>>
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>> Access software dealer and distributor, for all your product needs
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>> British
>
>> Sterling, US Dollars and Euros.
>>
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>> +44 161 277 7997
>> service@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Barbara Wilson
>> Sent: 13 November 2008 12:53
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>
>> Probably playing with all those clocks they make. Someone asked me
>> recently,
>>
>> why do RNIB feel the need to put a clock on ever damn product they
>> produce?
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>> Get listed, network or find a business at an online directory of
>> businesses owned and run by disabled people and associated support
>> and advisory
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>> www.barkingbabs.co.uk
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:22 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>
>>
>>> What are they doing is what I want to know. If you want to speak to
>>> Hi-Tech and have a demonstration of something that has to be on a
>>> Thursday
>>
>>> here in London. What are they doing the other 4 days because they
>>> they do
>>
>>> not always return my calls or if I ask them to e-mail me they do
>>> not.
>
>>> I think they just sit in an office!!!!
>>>
>>> Eleanor
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>
>>>
>>> What the rnib? They're a bunch of prats who really haven't got a
>>> clue
>
>>> at the end of the day.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>
>>>
>>> I should get used to them being around though.
>>>
>>> They are taking over everything it seems.
>>>
>>> Still, another list another discussion I guess!
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
>>> Sent: 13 November 2008 11:47
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>
>>> Well I have always seen (for want of a better word) the RNIB as the
>>> Auricle but now I am changing my mind.
>>>
>>> Eleanor
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Barbara Wilson" <barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:24 AM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Eleanor
>>>>
>>>> Don't ever be surprised that the RNIB know very little!
>>>>
>>>> Barbara
>>>>
>>>> Get listed, network or find a business at an online directory of
>>>> businesses owned and run by disabled people and associated support
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> advisory organisations:
>>>> www.barkingbabs.co.uk
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:19 AM
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>> Thank you for that. I am a bit fed up at present, want to buy the
>>>>> Wayfinder, got one price from RNIB, another at Sight Village from
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> Company and another from Computer Room Services. Now I am not
>>>>> complaining about any of these Agents for the product but the
>>> cheapest
>>>>> price came at Sight Village here in London and they did not say it
>>> was
>>>>> for the day only. I thought I had time to go away and think about
>>>>> it.
>>>
>>>>> Now I am not going to purchase it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact it was only when I asked Steve or someone on the Access
>>>>> list a question about upgrading Talks that a person at RNIB who
>>>>> had
>
>>>>> told me
>>> I
>>>>> could not upgrade then said it was news to her that I could
>>>>> upgrade
>>> from
>>>>> Vodafone Talks to Premium Talks on another phone for £50.00. That
>>> from
>>>>> RNIB Hi-Tech!
>>>>>
>>>>> Eleanor
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:03 AM
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eleanor,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's correct, whilst Talks continues to work, minus the ability
>>>>> to move the license again, WFA can only function on one handset at
>>>>> a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> But they don't charge to move from phone to phone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>>> WFA List Administrator
>>>>> Talks Users Host
>>>>>
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>>>>> service@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
>>>>> Sent: 13 November 2008 10:01
>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>>>
>>>>> No deactivation of Talks there Scot from what Steve said. He
>>>>> explained that
>>>>>
>>>>> very well about upgrading from phone A to B and B to C. Have a
>>>>> look at his reply there again. Steve has told me though that
>>>>> Wayfinder would deactivate
>>>>>
>>>>> from one phone to another if put on a second phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eleanor
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: "Talks List Talks List" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:47 AM
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks mate. So wen moving from B to C does talks stay on B or
>>>>>> deactivate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Scott.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Steve Nutt - Email Address: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent On:
>>>>>> 13/11/2008 09:38 Sent To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
>>>>>> talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: moving talks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As many times as you like, but you can only use one phone per
>>>>>> upgrade. In other words, you buy Phone A, you then use Phone A to
>>>>>> upgrade to
>>> Phone
>>>>>> B.
>>>>>> You can still use Phone B to upgrade to Phone C, but you can't
>>>>>> use
>>> Phone
>>>
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> to upgrade to Phone C. So in other words, if you sell on Phone
>>>>>> A,
>
>>>>>> the new
>>>>>> customer can't use it for an upgrade, if you have done so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Scott C
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday 13 November 2008 09:37
>>>>>> To: Talks List Talks List
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] moving talks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folks. How many times can talks be moved from one phone to
>>>>>> another?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know it's £50 to move it over from one to another, but how many
>>>>>> times can I?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Scott.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date:
14/11/2008 08:32
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date:
14/11/2008 08:32
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The Professional version does not have this message
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date:
14/11/2008 08:32
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date:
14/11/2008 08:32
--
I am using the free version of SPAMfighter.
We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has
removed 662 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here:
http://www.spamfighter.com/len
The Professional version does not have this message
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date:
14/11/2008 08:32
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date:
14/11/2008 08:32
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