I not staying at home apparently you did not read what I said. I not staying home by a long shot. I just made choices that suit my needs and my feeling safe. You want to do something different that is fine with me. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lynn Evans Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:27 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday You say Joe is doing something. How can anyone be doing something by staying home? Isn't that doing anything? It is dangerous to move your body out there wherever out there is. How funny it sounds for me to say this: One as a blind person, a person with low vision, one as a high partial we all need to be in public and be seen by the public. We are here and we are going to stay here. ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Ben Moshe <mailto:danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday I also think that there is a problem with identification. For example here in south Florida there are many hit and runs. Especially when the driver knows that they have hit a Blind person. They know that the burden of proof will be on the person who is hit at the time, and again, if there are not any witnesses, the mater goes unsolved. Times are very tough for Blind people right now, and we as a community must do things that protect us, as a community. There are major problems with job security, housing, trying not to get killed just walking down the streets, being taken advantage of by people, who feel it as their duty to run us down, at their will. We are living in very different times then those who are older then us, and people are not as nice. And they are very careless, about other things, much less Blind people. Although it is not something I would do. I believe that Joe might have a point. He is doing something that fits his needs for the moment. And we all ought to take a look, at what works for us as a community, and as individuals. As people get more detached from reality with their cell phones, and IPods, and head phones, things are only going to get worse. We need to be able to function within these guide lines, because as I said before. Other people are not going to stand up for us, if we are not for ourselves. The great Rabbi Hillel said " Who will be for us, if we are not for ourselves." We don't need to be afraid, or fearful, but we do need to pay attention to things, not expecting people to care, or watch for us. We are living in a very selfish age. Just my thoughts. I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant, Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe, B'ni Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org Choose ye this day whom you will serve. If YHWH be Elohim, then serve him, with all of your heart. However, if Baal be your god, then serve him. As for me, and my house. We choose to serve YHWH! The late Bishop Joe O Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a small child. about the show down, between Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of Baal. He shared with us how Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead,and call their god first. Because they had a much larger program. He talked about how they had 450 participants to introduce. Elijah was so sure of YHWH, he with confidence said, that he only had one. Elijah also reminded them, that they had to drag their fake god up the mountain side on an ox cart. Elijah also announced to the world, that his Elohim would be there when he arrived. He said mockingly, you go on ahead. Heck, I will even let you have prime time. I'M going to take a nap, and when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your best shot. Bishop Joe O Patterson A blessed memory 1963-1989 ________________________________ From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darla J. Rogers Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:44 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday Hi chip, Your assertions are borne out in all the articles I have read--many more than I want to think about--about blind people involved in accidents with motor vehicles. Darla ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Orange <mailto:Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:17 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday I agree with William here: police don't in force the laws regarding wrecklace driving, in my opinion, when it happens as part of a right on red, probably because they turn right on red themselves quite frequently, and figure it could have happened to them. I think it's happening much more often because of cell phones, and other distractions, although the right on red is just designed for accidents to begin with. So, if it's happening a lot more often, and police aren't doing anything about it, it's a dangerous combination! The other times, when a blind pedestrian is involved, I think they automatically just assume the blind person can't see what they're doing, so probably stepped out into traffic at the wrong time. You'd have to have several very vocal witnesses before you could overcome this prejudice. Therefore, I think the driver will seldombe be charged when a blind pedestrian is involved. Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of blindwilly Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:36 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday Erica, I sure hope the driver is not connected with the police or there will be no justice. I have heard that people obey the laws that are convenient to them. Likewise, the police enforce the laws that are convenient for them. William ----- Original Message ----- From: ericamccaul@xxxxxxxxxxxx To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday Chip, I'm hoping that the initiation of the red-light running ticketing program will help flush out the answer here. I certainly think driving behaviors have degraded since the advent of cell phones and especially texting! However, I've also heard law enforcement's argument that they have "more important" things to do than catch speeders, etc. You would think that an increased law enforcement presence would in fact improve drivers' behavior. I will say that if my neighborhood is any example, it, sadly, does not. Cops are out in force many, many days in the school zone near my home... and I see at least 2 cars pulled ever each day for speeding in the well-marked school zone. So, for all the days and years the school and school zone have been there, and all the days and weeks the cops have been there, apparently the drivers that frequent this area keep believing "They won't catch me." On a related matter, below I have pasted an update to the hit and run accident on Madison street over the weekend. SUV connected with Saturday hit-and-run identified published Sept. 27 11:17am An SUV traveling near Florida State University's campus was identified by an FSU police officer as the vehicle connected with Saturday's hit-and-run incident on West Madison Street, reported Officer David McCranie, spokesman for the Tallahassee Police Department, in a news release. Kathy Raynor, 59, was struck by a vehicle while walking along the 700 block of West Madison Street, the release said. Witnesses said that the SUV drove off after hitting Raynor. They described the SUV as a black newer model, possibly a Jeep Grand Cherokee, with tinted windows, black rims and damage near the driver's-side headlight. According to the release, the SUV was seized after an FSU police officer matched it to hit-and-run witnesses' descriptions. TPD's traffic homicide unit is investigating the SUV. Raynor suffered serious injuries and is currently in serious, but stable condition at Tallahassee Memorial Hospital, the release stated. Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI and please make suggestions for new material. if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.