[tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday

  • From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:19:25 -0400

Hello Joe and Daniel: 

I agree 100% in what you have written. I also can respect Joe's choice. 
I just find it ironic that we can do something by doing nothing. 
So doing nothing is doing something. 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Ben Moshe 
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:26 PM
  Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto 
accident report yesterday


  No mam that's not what I'm saying.  What Joe is doing works for him, and his 
family.  And we need to respect that.  It's not something I would do, but Joe 
has made that decision for him, and his people. He doesn't want our pity, and 
he doesn't need us judging him for his decision.  My whole point, was that we 
are all concerned about this now, because we have had the second incident in 
about a month to happen to someone.  Concern is good, However we must follow 
up, to make sure that the changes that need to be made, get made. No I think 
Joe is going to be ok he seams to have it together over there.  just more of my 
thoughts.  
      
  I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,

  Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
  B'ni Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County,
  www.theblindcansee.org
  Choose ye this day whom you will serve.  If YHWH be Elohim, then serve him, 
with all of your heart.  However, if Baal be your god, then serve him.  As for 
me, and my house.  We choose to serve YHWH!

  The late Bishop Joe O Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a small 
child.  about the show down, between Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of 
Baal. He shared with us how Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on 
ahead,and call their god first.   Because they had a much larger program.  He 
talked about how they had 450 participants to introduce. Elijah was so sure of 
YHWH, he with confidence said, that he only had one.  Elijah also reminded 
them, that they had to drag their fake god up the mountain side on an ox cart.  
Elijah also announced to the world, that his Elohim would be there when he 
arrived.  He said mockingly, you go on ahead.  Heck, I will even let you have 
prime time.  I'M going to take a nap, and when you guys finish your 
foolishness, wake me up.  Go ahead now, take your best shot.
  Bishop Joe O Patterson
  A blessed memory
  1963-1989   





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  From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Lynn Evans
  Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:27 PM
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto 
accident report yesterday


  You say Joe is doing something. 

   

  How can anyone be doing something by staying home? Isn't that doing anything? 
 It is dangerous to  move your  body out there wherever out there is. How funny 
it sounds for me to say this: One as a blind person, a person with low vision, 
one as a high partial we all need to be in public and be seen by the public.   

  We are here and we are going to stay here.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Daniel Ben Moshe 
    To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:13 PM
    Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: 
pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday


    I also think that there is a problem with identification.  For example here 
in south Florida there are many hit and runs.  Especially when the driver knows 
that they have hit a Blind person.  They know that the burden of proof will be 
on the person who is hit at the time, and again, if there are not any 
witnesses, the mater goes unsolved. Times are very tough for Blind people right 
now, and we as a community must do things that protect us, as a community.  
There are major problems with job security, housing, trying not to get killed 
just walking down the streets, being taken advantage of by people, who feel it 
as their duty to run us down, at their will. We are living in very different 
times then those who are older then us, and people are not as nice.  And they 
are very careless, about other things, much less Blind people. Although it is 
not something I would do.  I believe that Joe might have a point.  He is doing 
something that fits his needs for the moment.  And we all ought to take a look, 
at what works for us as a community, and as individuals. As people get more 
detached from reality with their cell phones, and IPods, and head phones, 
things are only going to get worse. We need to be able to function within these 
guide lines, because as I said before.  Other people are not going to stand up 
for us, if we are not for ourselves.  The great Rabbi Hillel said " Who will be 
for us, if we are not for ourselves."  We don't need to be afraid, or fearful, 
but we do need to pay attention to things, not expecting people to care, or 
watch for us.  We are living in a very selfish age. Just my thoughts.   

          
    I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,

    Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
    B'ni Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County,
    www.theblindcansee.org
    Choose ye this day whom you will serve.  If YHWH be Elohim, then serve him, 
with all of your heart.  However, if Baal be your god, then serve him.  As for 
me, and my house.  We choose to serve YHWH!

    The late Bishop Joe O Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a small 
child.  about the show down, between Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of 
Baal. He shared with us how Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on 
ahead,and call their god first.   Because they had a much larger program.  He 
talked about how they had 450 participants to introduce. Elijah was so sure of 
YHWH, he with confidence said, that he only had one.  Elijah also reminded 
them, that they had to drag their fake god up the mountain side on an ox cart.  
Elijah also announced to the world, that his Elohim would be there when he 
arrived.  He said mockingly, you go on ahead.  Heck, I will even let you have 
prime time.  I'M going to take a nap, and when you guys finish your 
foolishness, wake me up.  Go ahead now, take your best shot.
    Bishop Joe O Patterson
    A blessed memory
    1963-1989   





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    From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Darla J. Rogers
    Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:44 PM
    To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: 
pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday


    Hi  chip,

    Your assertions are borne out in all the articles I have read--many more 
than I want to think about--about blind people involved in accidents with motor 
vehicles.
    Darla

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Chip Orange 
      To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:17 PM
      Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: 
pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday


      I agree with William here: police don't in force the laws regarding 
wrecklace driving, in my opinion, when it happens as part of a right on red, 
probably because they turn right on red themselves quite frequently, and figure 
it could have happened to them.

       

      I think it's happening much more often because of cell phones, and other 
distractions, although the right on red is just designed for accidents to begin 
with.

       

      So, if it's happening a lot more often, and police aren't doing anything 
about it, it's a dangerous combination!

       

      The other times, when a blind pedestrian is involved, I think they 
automatically just assume the blind person can't see what they're doing, so 
probably stepped out into traffic at the wrong time.  You'd have to have 
several very vocal witnesses before you could overcome this prejudice.  
Therefore, I think the driver will seldombe be charged when a blind pedestrian 
is involved.

       

      Chip

       





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      Chip Orange
      Database Administrator
      Florida Public Service Commission

      Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
      (850) 413-6314

       (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not 
necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)

      From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of blindwilly
      Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:36 PM
      To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: 
pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday

       

      Erica,

       

      I sure hope the driver is not connected with the police or there will be 
no justice.

       

       

      I have heard that people obey the laws that are convenient to them.   
Likewise, the police enforce the laws that are convenient for them.

       

       

      William

       

       

       

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: ericamccaul@xxxxxxxxxxxx 

        To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

        Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:07 PM

        Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: 
pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday

         

        Chip,
        I'm hoping that the initiation of the red-light running ticketing 
program will help flush out the answer here.
        I certainly think driving behaviors have degraded since the advent of 
cell phones and especially texting! 
        However, I've also heard law enforcement's argument that they have 
"more important" things to do than catch speeders, etc.
        You would think that an increased law enforcement presence would in 
fact improve drivers' behavior. I will say that if my neighborhood is any 
example, it, sadly, does not. Cops are out in force many, many days in the 
school zone near my home... and I see at least 2 cars pulled ever each day for 
speeding in the well-marked school zone. So, for all the days and years the 
school and school zone have been there, and all the days and weeks the cops 
have been there, apparently the drivers that frequent this area keep believing 
"They won't catch me."

        On a related matter, below I have pasted an update to the hit and run 
accident on Madison street over the weekend.

SUV connected with Saturday hit-and-run identifiedpublished Sept. 27 11:17amAn 
SUV traveling near Florida State University's campus was identified by an FSU 
police officer as the vehicle connected with Saturday's hit-and-run incident on 
West Madison Street, reported Officer David McCranie, spokesman for the 
Tallahassee Police Department, in a news release.Kathy Raynor, 59, was struck 
by a vehicle while walking along the 700 block of West Madison Street, the 
release said.Witnesses said that the SUV drove off after hitting Raynor. They 
described the SUV as a black newer model, possibly a Jeep Grand Cherokee, with 
tinted windows, black rims and damage near the driver's-side 
headlight.According to the release, the SUV was seized after an FSU police 
officer matched it to hit-and-run witnesses' descriptions. TPD's traffic 
homicide unit is investigating the SUV.Raynor suffered serious injuries and is 
currently in serious, but stable condition at Tallahassee Memorial Hospital, 
the release stated.

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