Hi Nancy, welcome back! thank you for explaining this to us. Chip -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nancy Folsom Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:20 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: nova2010 plan Hi to all! I have been riding Dial-a-Ride since it began in the 80s. When I moved to Montrose Trail, I was told that I could continue riding Dial-a-Ride as long as I walked the quarter mile to the corner where the city limits actually began. There is a city bus stop about a mile away at the Thomasville Road Walmart, but because my physical address was actually in the county, I was told that I had to walk the distance to the city limits. While I did not like to have to stand out on the corner and wait for my ride, I was glad to have the option of using Dial-a-Ride. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Britton" <ladyvwithlove@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: nova2010 plan >I am just reading this at about 12 pm and I don't use the system but the > ones that do should do what they have to do instead of talking about and > crying about. I know that this will not be exceptible but so what. > Victoria > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mister Blackjack" <misterblackjack2@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:10 AM > Subject: [tabi] Re: nova2010 plan > > >> You just about said it all in a nut shell. You Robert are hitting the >> bull >> eyes. I have been involved in and around politics for over 30 years. I >> will >> say it is hard for a group of people to get anything done that does not >> work >> together. What needs to happen is you all need couple of good well paid >> lobbyist. Sadly this cost lots of money and something that most of us >> don't >> have a lot of. You know don't let a few people on this list discourage >> you >> from your goal. Most of the ones that is complaining about not showing up >> at >> the meetings are not going their self. Now the last thing you want any >> how >> is a bunch of people with disabilities down at the city hall or county >> board >> meeting or any other meeting jumping up and down and causing problems. >> They >> don't want or will they take what you say inconsideration. You are much >> better off with 2 or maybe 3 good intelligent people with level heads and >> good lobby skills down their representing the group. You get much >> farther. >> As far you all that don't believe that, then why is it that large >> corporations get lobbyist to go do their work for them? I can tell you >> why >> that is what these people do for a living and they do it well with out a >> mob. So again you keep the good work up Robert. You keep thinking about >> the >> majority and not few minority that more than likely don't know what they >> are >> talking about. I for one do not use this system as of today. But who >> knows >> I >> might need it one day. So what Robert is doing is helping make this >> happen >> or make it better or atlest get some kind of middle ground. You all need >> to >> pick a leader and a couple of people and let them represent you all. This >> is >> your only hope unless you all come up with a whole lot of money to hire >> some >> powerfully lobbyist! Just my thoughts on this. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Blackjack >> misterblackjack2@xxxxxxxxx >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf >> Of Easy Talk >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58 AM >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [tabi] nova2010 plan >> >> After reading all the post on this list about the nova2010 plan, I want >> to >> say the following and then I am going to keep my mouth shut since some >> people think I am attacking Star Metro and not acting with a level head >> and >> I run my mouth and don't go to meetings. >> >> I have been involved in advocacy for over 20 years and have served on the >> Governors accessible voting task force and followed the AEIT task force >> around the state. I was also at all the legislative hearings on the AEIT >> bill which looked good up until the last two days of the session when it >> was >> stripped down so bad to the point it had no enforcement clauses. I was >> on >> the first committee that dealt with the guide lines for Para transit >> service >> in Leon county. At the time Carol Keo-green was the chair of the TD >> board >> and she was never at the committee meetings but at board meetings she >> would >> just say no we aren't going to do that and that is that. In politics >> actions like this are referred to as the political sausage meal and you >> might not believe it but I have seen it first hand. One thing I have >> learned over the years is that politicians are going to do what is best >> to >> protect there careers. Nice guys finish last. >> For those of you who went to the two TDC board meetings that dealt with >> prioritization of rides will remember when I ask the board to establish a >> committee to look at the impact this would have on the rider ship at the >> first meeting, I was told they had a committee that did that. Calvert >> Durden ask who was on the committee and was told the committee consisted >> of >> Donna Peacock and Colleen Roland who ironically aren't voting members of >> the >> board. It was apparent none of the other members seemed to know about >> the >> committee. When this question was brought up at the second meeting the >> members were different but neither William or Carl who are the only >> disabled >> people on the board were on the committee. Also the cost per trip prices >> were different from the first meeting to the second, it went from around >> 76 >> dollars to 38. My point here is to show you that government will say >> what >> ever is necessary to support there actions. These are just a few things >> I >> have seen over the years and is why I am so skeptical of politicians. >> >> It should be apparent to all of you that the disabled community was not >> considered during the Nova2010 plan. If they had been considered then >> Star >> Metro would have stated that service to the disabled would not be >> affected >> in regards to Para Transit. Under the current information we have, if a >> particular bus has to pick up say just 2 wheel chairs that particular >> route >> will definitely not be able to keep its schedule. If there is a third >> wheel >> chair then that person will have to wait for the next bus because the >> other >> bus wouldn't have room for the third wheel chair. There will also be >> delays >> when one wheel chair has to be transferred to a connecting bus. I can >> assure >> you there will be some ADA complaints filed by wheel chair users. Also >> remember wheel chairs when I post below some direct information from a >> message posted by William a few days ago. >> >> We all need to remember that each person has there own needs and as >> citizens >> of Tallahassee have the right to advocate for themselves. They may >> choose >> to speak through TCB or NFB or as an individual. The only way we are >> going >> to have any affect is if people get involved and in this case I think >> there >> will be a lot of concerns from the community and not just people with >> disabilities. >> If we really want to be affective on this issue, we need to get other >> people >> involved who aren't disabled because we are considered a small group and >> the >> attitude the city has about the disabled community isn't good. Some of >> you >> will remember when the lieutenant of operations for TPD came to one of >> the >> TCB meetings to talk about the enforcement of the White Cane law. He >> stated >> that he didn't know about the White Cane law until just before our >> meeting >> when he was preparing his presentation. He admitted to using his Black >> Berry While driving and said the city had more important things to deal >> with >> such as face slapping instead of enforcing the White Cane law. As Mr.. >> Scheib stated the Nova2010 plan is about mobility not accessibility is >> the >> most stupid thing I have ever heard. If the system is not accessible who >> cares about mobility. Am I skeptical, you better believe I am. >> >> Now, here is what should be of major concern to all of you. It is key >> points of the plan and unless a miracle happens most likely isn't going >> to >> be changed. >> >> q Routes would no longer circulate within neighborhoods. This will, >> however, >> allow StarMetro to serve a larger population by providing higher >> frequency >> and better service to the most popular destinations. >> >> This is just totally ridiculous logic. How do you serve a larger >> population >> to get to there destinations if you don't go where they live. A trip >> consist of a starting point and destination not just a destination. >> >> q Related to the above, walking distances to StarStops are >> anticipated >> to increase. >> On the other hand, this will lead to fewer stops, increased mobility, a >> more >> pleasurable riding experience and a healthier community. >> The benefits, however, would far outweigh the few discrete disadvantages, >> which are better communicated in a longer visual presentation. >> Star Metro would have a more dependable system going where our patrons >> want >> to go doing so in a timely, efficient fashion. >> >> This will basically mean the system will not be accessible to a large >> majority of visually impaired, wheel chair users and elderly. in fact I >> see >> some reference to changing the type/class of people the system is trying >> to >> target and it isn't us. >> >> Personally the new system won't affect me that much since it goes up and >> down capital circle and I am with in 3 quarters of a mile from it. The >> only >> affect it will have on me is that I might not be able to visit a friend >> that >> lives in a neighbor hood which most of us do. I haven't heard anything >> about a bunch of tents along capital circle or the parkway. I have >> posted >> on this list because I care about transportation and think it is vital to >> have a good system especially for the disabled and the linkage between >> the >> fixed route system and Dial A Ride. Personally I am in favor of a >> decentralized system as long as it has feeder buses or vans that can get >> you >> to the main routes. As stated on the web site, the current plan >> shouldn't >> cost more but will give more frequent service. There is no way you can >> make >> a system better and decentralize it with out spending more money. >> Personally based on the current information, I think the city is doing >> this >> to save money not provide a better service. If people can not get to the >> bus, they will be empty then the city can say no one uses the busses so >> we >> are going to stop that service and believe me people this is starting to >> happen all over the u.s. 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