[tabi] Re: new regulations re service animals

  • From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:05:43 -0400

Don't have no problem about the animal having ID on them. I am saying we
should not have to show Id that we are disable and need the animal. Another
words they could where a ID saying that the dog Joe is certified to guide
the blind and is a certified service animal. I have no problem with this.
Even for it to be in the law to say the animal needs to where the badge. But
not for us to have to prove that we need him and answer a lot of personal
question to get in some where or ride a bus or what ever before we can bring
it in with us.


sign,
Joe Plummer (JP)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
 
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Sila Miller
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:37 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: new regulations re service animals

No worries, no political war will be started Joe. But, I think I'll be
taking my cat, Petita Louise to work for emotional support tomorrow. She
loves to lie quietly in my lap and purr her little head off. It decreases my
blood pressure, gives me a warm feeling of security and would definitely be
an icebreaker! She has no identification, aside from her vaccination tag and
a bell but since they can't ask for ID, don't you think this'll fly? My
reasoning for disagreeing with places not being allowed to ask for valid
identification have more to do with pride in the intensive training and time
invested into a legitimate service animal. Otherwise, we may have all kinds
of "companion-service animals" which, in my opinion greatly diminishes the
validity of our certified service provider animals. We must show proper
identification to purchase alcohol or vote so why shouldn't our service
animals have the same restriction?
Sila

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: new regulations re service animals


> That is something totally different. That I agree with that they should
> carry ID with them at all times. That is no comparison to having a service
> animal. Now I get your point and nothing is keeping you from carrying
> something like that. I know my guide dog service gave me a picture ID of 
> me
> and the service dog saying she was certified and so was I. I don't carry 
> it
> but It might be a good idea just in case. But still in my opinion I glad 
> it
> is not in the law because I think this would still be a pain to have to 
> show
> your disability to someone to be able to enter a place. Besides are we 
> going
> to continue to give the government our rights. Where does it stop? How 
> about
> busses and other transportation. You don't have Id you can't ride, because
> you have a service animal? Or lets start saying anyone who can not show
> proof of their disability period , that they are not allowed in a place or
> public transportation. It just opens up all kind of government control 
> when
> you start requiring ID for this sort of thing. Just my thoughts. Not 
> trying
> to start a political war here.
>
>
>
> sign,
> Joe Plummer (JP)
> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf
> Of Barbara Lineberry
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:21 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: new regulations re service animals
>
> I think I have heard that part of the problem with the immigrants in 
> Arizona
> is that the law is saying they have to carry ID with them at all times and
> many are against it.  I'm not making a statement on this point, only that 
> it
> seems that ID for a service animal would be useful to prove the need for 
> one
> and I know for a fact that other animals than dogs are used as service
> animals.  Trained monkeys and miniature horses are two examples.
>
> Barbara
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sila Miller" <silam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:15 AM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: new regulations re service animals
>
>
>
> It's too bad that this definition seems to prohibit places of 
> accommodation
> from requiring proper identification or verification of training and
> certification for service animals.
> "A public accommodation shall not require
> documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified,
> trained, or licensed as a service animal."
> Sila
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:39 PM
> Subject: [tabi] new regulations re service animals
>
>
>> FYI. The Department of Justice finally released the revised ADA
>> regulations implementing Title II and Title III which includes
>> the new definition of a service animal at:
>> <
>> http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/ADAregs2010.htm
>>>
>> http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/ADAregs2010.htm
>> Service animal means any dog that is individually trained to do
>> work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a
>> disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric,
>> intellectual, or other mental disability. Other species of
>> animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not
>> service animals for the purposes of this definition. The work or
>> tasks performed by a service animal must be directly related to
>> the handler´s disability. Examples of work or tasks include, but
>> are not limited to, assisting individuals who are blind or have
>> low vision with navigation and other tasks, alerting individuals
>> who are deaf or hard of hearing to the presence of people or
>> sounds, providing non-violent protection or rescue work, pulling
>> a wheelchair, assisting an individual during a seizure, alerting
>> individuals to the presence of allergens, retrieving items such
>> as medicine or the telephone, providing physical support and
>> assistance with balance and stability to individuals with
>> mobility disabilities, and helping persons with psychiatric and
>> neurological disabilities by preventing or interrupting impulsive
>> or destructive behaviors. The crime deterrent effects of an
>> animal´s presence and the provision of emotional support,
>> well-being, comfort, or companionship do not constitute work or
>> tasks for the purposes of this definition.
>> *****
>> § 36.302 Modifications in policies, practices, or procedures.
>> (c) * * *
>> (2) Exceptions. A public accommodation may ask an individual with
>> a disability to remove a service animal from the premises if:
>> (i) The animal is out of control and the animal´s handler does
>> not take effective action to control it; or
>> (ii) The animal is not housebroken.
>> (3) If an animal is properly excluded. If a public accommodation
>> properly excludes a service animal under § 36.302(c)(2), it shall
>> give the individual with a disability the opportunity to obtain
>> goods, services, and accommodations without having the service
>> animal on the premises.
>> (4) Animal under handler´s control. A service animal shall be
>> under the control of its handler. A service animal shall have a
>> harness, leash, or other tether, unless either the handler is
>> unable because of a disability to use a harness, leash, or other
>> tether, or the use of a harness, leash, or other tether would
>> interfere with the service animal´s safe, effective performance
>> of work or tasks, in which case the service animal must be
>> otherwise under the handler´s control (e.g., voice control,
>> signals, or other effective means).
>> (5) Care or supervision. A public accommodation is not
>> responsible for the care or supervision of a service animal.
>> (6) Inquiries. A public accommodation shall not ask about the
>> nature or extent of a person´s disability, but may make two
>> inquiries to determine whether an animal qualifies as a service
>> animal. A public accommodation may ask if the animal is required
>> because of a disability and what work or task the animal has been
>> trained to perform. A public accommodation shall not require
>> documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified,
>> trained, or licensed as a service animal. Generally, a public
>> accommodation may not make these inquiries about a service animal
>> when it is readily apparent that an animal is trained to do work
>> or perform tasks for an individual with a disability (e.g., the
>> dog is observed guiding an individual who is blind or has low
>> vision, pulling a person´s wheelchair, or providing assistance
>> with stability or balance to an individual with an observable
>> mobility disability).
>> (7) Access to areas of a public accommodation. Individuals with
>> disabilities shall be permitted to be accompanied by their
>> service animals in all areas of a place of public accommodation
>> where members of the public, program participants, clients,
>> customers, patrons, or invitees, as relevant, are allowed to go.
>> (8) Surcharges. A public accommodation shall not ask or require
>> an individual with a disability to pay a surcharge, even if
>> people accompanied by pets are required to pay fees, or to comply
>> with other requirements generally not applicable to people
>> without pets. If a public accommodation normally charges
>> individuals for the damage they cause, an individual with a
>> disability may be charged for damage caused by his or her service
>> animal.
>> (9) Miniature horses. (i) A public accommodation shall make
>> reasonable modifications in policies, practices, or procedures to
>> permit the use of a miniature horse by an individual with a
>> disability if the miniature horse has been individually trained
>> to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of the individual
>> with a disability.
>> (ii) Assessment factors. In determining whether reasonable
>> modifications in policies, practices, or procedures can be made
>> to allow a miniature horse into a specific facility, a public
>> accommodation shall consider--
>> (A) The type, size, and weight of the miniature horse and whether
>> the facility can accommodate these features;
>> (B) Whether the handler has sufficient control of the miniature
>> horse;
>> (C) Whether the miniature horse is housebroken; and
>> (D) Whether the miniature horse´s presence in a specific facility
>> compromises legitimate safety requirements that are necessary for
>> safe operation.
>> (iii) Other requirements. Sections 36.302(c)(3) through (c)(8),
>> which apply to service animals, shall also apply to miniature
>> horses.
>>
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