[tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)

  • From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:59:15 -0500

I agree, and I have been in the maintence field all my life and  this is
sort of true especially with the newer AC and Heat pumps. They like to be
set at one temp and left there I recommend 76 to 78 in the Summer and 68 to
72 in the winter. Also using ceiling fans will help greatly as well as
circulating fans to help keep the air moving around. Especially in the
summer if you have a fan going it will feel about 5 to 10 degrees cooler
than it is. Also if can afford it a gas tankless water heater is the best
and the next thing to it is a electric water heater that has a timer on it
or a switch to cut it off and turn it on just once a day  for 6 or so hours
then turn off. This will save you depending on the size of the water heater
30 to 60 bucks a month on the light bill for electric water heater and the
tankless gas it will save you much more and so will the electric tankless
water heater. There is also ways to save on the water bill as well. By re
using used water or what they call black water for the commode  and washing
hands. Also ican use the black water so call for watering the grass and
such. As well as collecting rain water for use for stuff. You Also can save
money with a fireplace if you don't have any respiratory problems by taking
your old news paper and making paper logs for the fire place and the list
goes on and on. Also for small business or for any business they are not
going to befit from the smart them statics at all. I my self think they
should have put the effort in to educating and help winterizing and
summarizing people houses . Just some thoughts to put out there and chew on.
 


sign,
Joe Plummer (JP)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
 
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Easy Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:15 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)

My guess is after the pilot program, the city will decide if they are going
to make the change or not and if they make the change we most likely won't
have a choice.  My question is how can they tell what time we are using the
electricity. Basically the time is in two 12 hour slots so if 1 of the
twelve hour slots goes up 8 cents and the other goes down four if you don't
change your habits then it don't look to good as far as the math goes.  In
the winter nights are much colder but in the summer the days are much
hotter.  Every air condition person I have ever talked to says the most
efficient way to use your air condition is to set it to a comfortable level
and leave it because if you raise the temperature while you are at work and
then lower it when you come home, the system has to work harder to reduce
the temperature.  They also say not to turn it off unless you are going to
be away for 3 days or more.
I don't think people will change there habits in usage.  Commercial business
will really get the shaft and this change could affect whether a business
would choose to locate in Tallahassee or not.  The last I knew, Tallahassee
already has the highest electric rates in the state of Florida.  As the
population grows in the future the city will have to build more power plants
so why not bite the bullet and quit screwing the citizens.

Robert


Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)


> Well this is ok if you choose to do this and can switch back to your old
> plan or way if you want to but don't know if they would let you do this 
> and
> also would they start charging outrageous price to switch to discourage 
> you
> from doing the switch thing.
>
>
>
> sign,
> Joe Plummer (JP)
> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf
> Of Allison and Chip Orange
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 6:47 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>
> well, this is an instance where everyone benefits (working at the PSC, 
> this
> is something I'm familiar with).
>
> The city doesn't have to pay to build a new power plant, if they can get
> enough people to switch over to this new plan.  people get their 
> electricity
> at two thirds of the current price if they switch over to the new plan.
>
> As far as I know of, the few problem meters have been replaced with 
> working
> ones; so this is something where everyone gets some of the money.
>
> now, there's one way someone not paying attention can lose money: if you
> switched to the new plan, the electricity you use during day-time hours is
> much more expensive than if you had not changed plans; so, if you sign up 
> to
> switch plans, and then you don't change your usage patterns, you'll end up
> with a higher electric bill.
>
> If I recall, the city said 70% of people, if they signed up for the new
> plan, but made no change in their usage patterns, would end up with the 
> same
> bill they have now (I think).  This was to indicate you wouldn't have to
> change much to start saving money.
>
> So, if you are looking to save every dime, I'd look into switching (unless
> you have gas heat and gas hot water, in which case it won't make much
> difference).
>
>  if you want it when you want it (that is, you aren't willing to wait till
> night to do your wash; take your shower, etc.), then don't switch, and 
> keep
> things as they are.
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf
> Of Easy Talk
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 6:35 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>
> Well the whole idea was to cut out the meter reader so just putting it on
> the electric only, wouldn't get the job done.  The city saves, you pay the
> same just like the Nova 2010 scam.
> You know the four pounds of sugar at the five pound price deal.  Most 
> likely
> the new electric plan will mostly benefit the city or they wouldn't be 
> doing
> it, that's why they are doing the pilot testing to see how much they would
> make.
>
> Robert
>
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 5:57 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>
>
>> sorry to hear about that; but I do know they have the standard manual
>> display still on them as a backup in cases like yours.  I had no idea
>> though they were doing this with water meters, I only got a notice
>> from the city about my electric meter.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Easy Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 4:49 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>
>> As far as smart meters being correct, I'll have to disagree with this
>> since when one was installed on my rental property which was vacant
>> and the water was turned off at the street, I got a water bill for
>> $1,800.00 and I didn't make a typo in the amount.  After fussing with
>> the utility department for
>> 3
>> months, I finally had to call the mayors office to get it sorted out.
>> They
>> couldn't understand why the visual reading was different than what was
>> being sent to the computer so I suggest you get a sighted person to
>> check your meter reading and compare it to your billed amount.  In my
>> case it deffentantly was noticeable but if the difference is slight
>> you might be getting screwed.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:52 PM
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I can only say you've really got just about everything screwed up in
>>> this reply of yours.
>>>
>>> first, yes, you can opt out at any time; that question, and all the
>>> others you say aren't answered, are indeed answered on the web site
>>> provided in the original email.  This question was actually answered
>>> in the email, since I copied some of the questions from the site into
>>> the first email.
>>>
>>> next, nobody said anything about just having a smart meter would
>>> lower your bill.  that wasn't claimed, because they are a standard
>>> electric meter in every way, except that they can be read remotely
>>> over the internet.  they do not give false readings, and they have
>>> not caused anyone's bill to go up unjustly.  there has been no
>>> misreading by city workers.
>>>
>>> Yes, it's possible if you go on this plan for you to have a higher
>>> bill (if you use all your electricity during the peak daytime hours);
>>> you do have to read and understand it before doing something like
>>> signing up, or shooting off a reply full of misinformation.
>>>
>>> No, having residential customers switch their usage patterns because
>>> of this program will not change the peak load times; that's because
>>> peak load is largely a function of commercial use (that's why
>>> holidays are given to you at the cheaper rate, just like night time
>>> usage).
>>>
>>> The city does provide all of these answers on their web site, and
>>> time of day pricing for electricity is something which has been in
>>> common use across the country for 20 years I'd guess.
>>>
>>> this is a way for people who have very limited amounts of money to
>>> save a little more; you should not try and stop them from doing so by
>>> spouting a lot of conspiracy theory, or anti-government rhetoric
>>> which isn't backed up with any facts.  It's also a very
>>> environmentally friendly thing to do, as it keeps us from having to
>>> build new power plants.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Joe Plummer
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:24 PM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>
>>> Yes, I heard about this from the Morning show on WFLA FM . The
>>> problem is with this is like the smart meters what if it really ended
>>> up with a higher cost to you and two if you decided you did not like
>>> it or it did not fit your needs could you opt out of it. These
>>> questions have not yet been answer. Also would if enough people got
>>> on this ban wagon wouldn't it change the peek time?  This then would
>>> throw you in a higher electric plan.
>>> Also the question is if your house or rental is not energy efficient
>>> how would this effect your cost with these smart thermostat. So lots
>>> of questions and so far no answers from the city and lots more
>>> question that have not been listed here that has not been answered
>>> yet. Don't forget the smart meter was supposed to lower people
>>> electric bill and did exactly the opsit. No one has gave a good
>>> reason why this has happen. The best answer they came up with here is
>>> that the meter readers was not reading the meters right. Now you are
>>> saying that the city employed meter readers that could not read and
>>> write ? I don't think so I think the smart meters is just not working
>>> right but guess what you can't do anything about it but pay the bill.
>>> So in my opinion is to be careful what you sign up for.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sign,
>>> JP ( Joe Plummer)
>>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Allison and Chip Orange
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:58 PM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> below is info on the new optional electricity pricing plan.  instead
>>> of a single price, you can switch to a plan which prices it based on
>>> the time of day when you  use the power.
>>>
>>> To go with this, you can purchase thermostats which automatically
>>> change their temp settings based on the time of day, along with
>>> electric hot water timers which do the same thing.
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>> -------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The City Commission approved the first optional rate plan at its
>>> October 27, 2010 meeting. This new offering is known as the Nights &
>>> Weekends Pricing Program. As a new Energy Smart Plus program, it
>>> offers customers an alternative rate option with a lower price on
>>> electricity used during nights
>>> (7 p.m. - 7 a.m.), weekends and holidays at 7.921 cents / kWh and a
>>> higher rate during weekdays (7 a.m. - 7 p.m.) at 22.264 cents / kWh.
>>> The program is open to 2,000 City of Tallahassee Electric customers
>>> as a pilot from November 1, 2010 through April 30, 2012.
>>>
>>> More info at: http://www.talgov.com/you/energy/nw.cfm
>>> Frequently Asked Questions and Answers from that site are copied below.
>>>
>>> Q: What are the rates associated with Nights & Weekends?
>>> A: Currently, our electricity is at 12.158 cents / kWh all day, every
>>> day.
>>> The new plan will be split between Daytime @ 22.264 cents / kWh and
>>> Nights
>>
>>> &
>>> Weekends @ 7.921 cents / kWh. State holidays are also at the Nights &
>>> Weekends rate of 7.921 cents / kWh.
>>>
>>> Q: Can I stop the program at any time?
>>> A: Yes, but if you return to the program, we will ask you to stay for
>>> a minimum of one year.
>>>
>>> Q: If I leave the program will I be able to re-enroll?
>>> A: Yes, as long as there are available spots in the program; and
>>> you'll be required to remain on the plan for at least a full year.
>>>
>>> Q: When does this program start?
>>> A: Customers can start signing up on November 1, 2010.
>>>
>>> Q: How can I sign up?
>>> A: Call 891.4YOU (4968) or fill out a Customer Request Form for more
>>> information or to sign up.
>>>
>>>
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