[tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car for the blind

  • From: "Sila Miller" <silam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:06:41 -0400

Thankfully, Easy Talk, Robert and my company has been in business since September, 1991. Wow, 20 years next year. How time flies.

Sila
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:08 AM
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car for the blind


As I mentioned, banks will lend you money, not related to your personal
credit, if you seem to have a good business plan and a good business
opportunity.

In addition, here's a link to an article which gives several tips for
grants for the disabled to start their own businesses.  Such grants do
exist; I received one back in the mid 80s, and did use it to start a
small business, which I operated evenings and weekends; so I'm here to
say it's possible:

http://www.ehow.com/about_5698480_business-grants-handicapped.html

There's a famous quote from someone (I think Henry Ford) and it says
something like:
people who say they can, and people who say they can't, are both right!

Chip




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Chip Orange
Database Administrator
Florida Public Service Commission

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(850) 413-6314

(Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not
necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)


-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Plummer
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:37 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new
approach for a car for the blind

Well, it is hard to start a business, with a few thousand
bucks. I looked
into getting started here in Quincy with a franchise opening
up a Fire House
Sub and you need at least 75 thousand bucks and would better
off if had 100
thousands bucks. So opening up a business that is just one
franchise is more
than most common people can afford. Now can you open up a business for
cheaper yes. But this would still require say 25 thousand bucks to get
started. If not doing internet stuff and doing brick and
mortar business it
will cost. You know you will more than likely not even be
able to rent a
place for less than 500 to 600 bucks a month. This does not
include lights
and stock and help and Pc's and the list goes on and on. You
really need for
a brick and mortar business to have a year worth of money to get you
started. It will more than likely take 6 months at least for
the business to
take off good. That is if you got a good place and a good
market. You are
not going to start a brick and mortar business for a few
hundred bucks. Now
internet that is totally different. Their you might get by as
little as 50
bucks and up. Just my thoughts and experience.



sign,
Joe Plummer (JP)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Charles Atkins
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:54 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new
approach for a car
for the blind

Right Guys!

I don't see why we couldn't form an entrepreneurial type
association of
about a million strong, each spend ten dollars a month that
goes toward the
purchase of a new business.  Repeat it every year until some
day in the
distant future we can have a sizable share of all businesses
on the planet
to work for us.  Seem like this would be smarter than our sitting here
waiting for someone to discover something!

A Hundred years, a hundred businesses!

Competing with the rest of society.

That's a million times a hundred and twenty dollars going in
to every single
business, atleast!

A lot cheaper than some of these devices they sell us costing
four and five
thousand each.

You buy one, how do you buy the next one?

Go figure!

It is time for us to, while the iron is hot strike friends!

Yes We Can!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 3:50 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new
approach for a car
for the blind


> It is beingdone now as we talk about this.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:36 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new
approach for
> a car for the blind
>
>
>> Intristing I think that the way to go now is for blind people to
>> start looking at owning their own businesses.  I think
that the dbs
>> system is so broken right now, until things are just never
going to
>> change for the forseeable future. I know that everybody
can't own a
>> business, but we can change the direction from working for
the man to
>> setting our own destenies.
>> What you think?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
>>
>> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
>> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org
>> Choose ye this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then
>> serve him, with all of your hart.  However, if bail be
your master.
>> Then serve him.  As for me, and my house.  We choose, to
serve Yahweh!
>>
>> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a
>> small child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of
bail.  He
>> said that Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go
on ahead,
>> because they had a much larger program.  He said that they had 450
>> participants, and he only had one.  Elijah, also reminded
them, that
>> they had to drag their god up the mountain side on an ox
cart.  the
>> man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim would be there when he
>> arrived.  He said mockingly,you go on ahead.
>> Heck, I
>> will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take
a nap, and
>> when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go
ahead now, take
>> your best shot.
>> Bishop Joe O Patterson
>> A blessed memory
>> 1963-1989
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Allison and Chip Orange
>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:57 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new
approach for a
>> car for the blind
>>
>> Yes, we need to help think of ideas to get this general
view of the
>> blind changed.
>>
>> It would be good if the Florida DBS would consider this as part of
>> their general mandate to help the blind get  jobs; they could, for
>> example, create PSAs showing successfully employed blind people,
>> along with commentary from their employers saying in
effect, "we have
>> a good worker here and don't regret hiring someone with a
disability;
>> neither should anyone else."
>> Getting something like this aired might be the best way toward
>> convincing other employers to try someone with a
disability.  There
>> must be other ideas waiting to be tried which could work towards
>> changing societal atitudes as well, if DBS would just consider the
>> challenge.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Plummer
>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:44 AM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> Hi, yes jobs is important! But the problem is not the jobs
they are
>> out there that we can do and do as good or almost as good as our
>> seeing partners. The problem is getting the companies to
hire us. We
>> have to change the way they look at us as well as the
general public.
>> They the general public and companies don't look at us employable.
>> They have a negative view of us to start with. Just my thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> sign,
>> Joe Plummer (JP)
>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Daniel Ben Moshe
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 10:01 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> Wow this is cool on the surface.  However lets really examine this
>> prospect.
>> The reality is that the average blind person will not be
able to own one
>> of
>> these cars because of economics'.  Also the market for
such cars will be
>> very small.  Like much of our technology, it is over
priced, and leaves
>> much
>> to be desired when it comes to quality. Many of our blind citizens
>> struggle
>> now just to make ends meet, can you imagine the added
responsibility of
>> now
>> owning, and maintaining such a car?  You must ask
yourself, are we as a
>> community really ready for such an event? I think, that
the research
>> should
>> continue, but we ought to really keep focused on what
really matters.
>> Jobs,
>> Jobs, and more jobs.  Because if we have the correct jobs
for our blind
>> citizens, then we will not have to struggle just to make
those ends meet.
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>>
>> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
>>
>> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
>> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County,
www.theblindcansee.org Choose

>> ye
>> this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then
serve him, with
>> all
>> of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.  Then
serve him.  As for
>> me,
>> and my house.  We choose, to serve Yahweh!
>>
>> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when
I was a small
>> child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.
He said that
>> Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead,
because they
>> had
>> a much larger program.  He said that they had 450
participants, and he
>> only
>> had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to
drag their god up
>> the
>> mountain side on an ox cart.  the man of yahweh, also
said, that his
>> Elohim
>> would be there when he arrived.  He said mockingly, you go
on ahead.
>> Heck,
>> I will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to
take a nap, and
>> when
>> you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead
now, take your
>> best
>> shot.
>> Bishop Joe O Patterson
>> A blessed memory
>> 1963-1989
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Allison and Chip Orange
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:42 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> well, it may be that an actual car for the blind which
works like this
>> never
>> does hit the market, but, think how much technology might
be invented;
>> technology having to do with sensors, and conveying
information from the
>> sensor to the blind person in some way which isn't verbal
and isn't in
>> braille, as part of the research for this project.  The
space program
>> certainly did that, and it's often sighted as the primary
benefit of the
>> moon landings, instead of the actual landings themselves.
>>
>> So, while I agree with Barbara and "Joe" about the
possible problems with
>> this approach, I hope the research continues.
>>
>> One other point to consider is the cost?  owning the
average automobile
>> today costs something like $9000 a year (and that's a lot
of cab rides
>> right
>> there); can you imagine what the cost for the vehicle, and
the insurance,
>> would be?
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Joe Plummer
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:05 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> Hi, I don't think this is a good idea. Let me tell you
why. I think at
>> some
>> point in time not in my life time they will have a
computer command
>> vehicle,
>> that would be able to drive just about any where sort like
the movie
>> night
>> rider the car in it. Now this is great for us but what happens if
>> something
>> fails. I don't think the blind community having the way or
right to drive

>> is
>> worth one person getting killed or injured in any way,
especially if they
>> get injured badly. This is not worth having this freedom.
Now if they
>> could
>> apply this to maybe some kind of navigation so we would
not need help
>> walking and shopping and cooking and doing every day stuff
then this
>> would
>> be nice. I think we need to focus on the small things and
then go from
>> there. We have problems with the every day task that needs
to be fixed
>> before we jump to driving. This is my thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> sign,
>> Joe Plummer (JP)
>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Barbara Lineberry
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:44 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> I saw something like this on TV several months ago, maybe
a year ago.
>> The
>> driver had a sighted person giving directions and the test
was perfect.
>> My
>> problem is I believe that people who are blind can do a
whole lot of
>> things,
>> many of them much better than me, including having a sense
of direction
>> and
>> getting me to a location by directing me and I think it is
terrific.  I'm
>> not so sure about the driving, because it is hard enough
to drive, being
>> sighted, and having to deal with drunks, teenagers and
people whose eyes
>> are
>> failing but they won't admit it, and even cloudbursts.  I
read this
>> article
>> and tried to imagine what things might happen.  It would
be amazing if
>> something could happen to make this possible.  I didn't
learn to drive
>> until
>> I was 30 because it was thought my orthopedic problems
were too severe.
>> And
>> I've had several periods since I could drive that I was
not able to for
>> various reasons.  I know it is hard, and having the
feeling of freedom is
>> great, but I won't always be able to drive.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:15 PM
>> Subject: [tabi] a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>>
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Could a blind person drive a car?
Researchers are
>>> trying to make that far-fetched notion a reality.
>>> The National Federation of the Blind and Virginia Tech plan to
>>> demonstrate
>>
>>> a
>>> prototype
>>> vehicle next year equipped with technology that helps a
blind person
>>> drive
>>
>>> a
>>> car
>>> independently.
>>> The technology, called "nonvisual interfaces," uses
sensors to let a
>>> blind driver maneuver a car based on information
transmitted to him
>>> about his
>>> surroundings: whether
>>> another car or object is nearby, in front of him or in a
neighboring
>>> lane.
>>> Advocates for the blind consider it a "moon shot," a goal
similar to
>>> President John F. Kennedy's pledge to land a man on the
moon. For many
>>> blind people, driving a car long has been considered
impossible. But
>>> researchers hope the project could revolutionize mobility and
>>> challenge long-held assumptions about limitations.
>>> "We're exploring areas that have previously been regarded as
>>> unexplorable,"
>>> said
>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of
the Blind.
>>> "We're moving away from the theory that blindness ends
the capacity of
>>> human beings to make contributions to society."
>>> The Baltimore-based organization announced its plans for
the vehicle
>>> demonstration at a news conference Friday in Daytona Beach, Fla.
>>> A blind person, who has not yet been chosen, will drive
the vehicle on
>>> a course near the famed Daytona race track and attempt to
simulate a
>>> typical driving experience.
>>> Maurer first talked about building an automobile that the
blind could
>>> drive about a decade ago when he launched the
organization's research
>>> institute.
>>> "Some people thought I was crazy and they thought, 'Why
do you want us
>>> to raise money for something that can't be done?' Others
thought it
>>> was a great idea,"
>>> Maurer said.
>>> "Some people were incredulous. Others thought the idea
was incredible."
>>> The vehicle has its roots in Virginia Tech's 2007 entry
into the DARPA
>>> Grand Challenge, a competition for driverless vehicles
funded by the
>>> Defense Department's research arm. The university's team won third
>>> place for a self-driving vehicle that used sensors to perceive
>>> traffic, avoid crashing into other cars and objects and
run like any
>>> other vehicle.
>>> Following their success, Virginia Tech's team responded
to a challenge
>>> from the National Federation of the Blind to help build a car that
>>> could be driven by a blind person.
>>> Virginia Tech first created a dune buggy as part of a feasibility
>>> study that used sensor lasers and cameras to act as the
eyes of the
>>> vehicle. A vibrating vest was used to direct the driver
to speed up,
>>> slow down or make turns.
>>> The blind organization was impressed by the results and urged the
>>> researchers to keep pushing. The results will be demonstrated next
>>> January on a modified Ford Escape sport utility vehicle
at the Daytona
>>> International Speedway before the Rolex
>>> 24 race.
>>> The latest vehicle will use nonvisual interfaces to help a blind
>>> driver operate the car. One interface, called DriveGrip,
uses gloves
>>> with vibrating motors on areas that cover the knuckles.
The vibrations
>>> signal to the driver when and where to turn.
>>> Another interface, called AirPix, is a tablet about half
the size of a
>>> sheet of paper with multiple air holes, almost like those
found on an
>>> air hockey game.
>>> Compressed
>>> air coming out of the device helps inform the driver of his or her
>>> surroundings, essentially creating a map of the objects around a
>>> vehicle. It would show whether there's another vehicle in a nearby
>>> lane or an obstruction in the road.
>>> A blind person, who has not yet been chosen, will drive
the vehicle on
>>> a course near the famed Daytona race track and attempt to
simulate a
>>> typical driving experience.
>>> Dr. Dennis Hong, a mechanical engineering professor at
Virginia Tech
>>> who leads the research, said the technology could someday
help a blind
>>> driver operate a vehicle but could also be used on conventional
>>> vehicles to make them safer or on other applications.
>>> Hong, who directs the school's Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory,
>>> said they hope to turn the technology into a consumer
product. But he
>>> added, "This is not going to be a product until its
proven 100 percent
>>> safe."
>>> Advocates for the blind say it will take time before
society accepts
>>> the potential of blind drivers and that the safety of the
technology
>>> will need to be proven through years of testing. But more than
>>> anything, they say it's part of a broader mission to
change the way
>>> people perceive the blind.
>>> Mark Riccobono, executive director of the NFB's Jernigan
Institute,
>>> said when he walks down the street with his 3-year-old son, many
>>> people might think he, as a blind person, is being guided
by his son.
>>> "The idea that a 3-year-old takes care of me stems from what they
>>> think about blindness,"
>>> Riccobono said. "That will change when people see that we can do
>>> something that they thought was impossible."
>>>
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