[tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car for the blind

  • From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:07:42 -0400

I will check the link out.


Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:08 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car
for the blind

As I mentioned, banks will lend you money, not related to your personal
credit, if you seem to have a good business plan and a good business
opportunity.

In addition, here's a link to an article which gives several tips for
grants for the disabled to start their own businesses.  Such grants do
exist; I received one back in the mid 80s, and did use it to start a
small business, which I operated evenings and weekends; so I'm here to
say it's possible:

http://www.ehow.com/about_5698480_business-grants-handicapped.html

There's a famous quote from someone (I think Henry Ford) and it says
something like: 
people who say they can, and people who say they can't, are both right!

Chip




------------------------------

Chip Orange
Database Administrator
Florida Public Service Commission

Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(850) 413-6314

 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not
necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Plummer
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:37 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new 
> approach for a car for the blind
> 
> Well, it is hard to start a business, with a few thousand 
> bucks. I looked
> into getting started here in Quincy with a franchise opening 
> up a Fire House
> Sub and you need at least 75 thousand bucks and would better 
> off if had 100
> thousands bucks. So opening up a business that is just one 
> franchise is more
> than most common people can afford. Now can you open up a business for
> cheaper yes. But this would still require say 25 thousand bucks to get
> started. If not doing internet stuff and doing brick and 
> mortar business it
> will cost. You know you will more than likely not even be 
> able to rent a
> place for less than 500 to 600 bucks a month. This does not 
> include lights
> and stock and help and Pc's and the list goes on and on. You 
> really need for
> a brick and mortar business to have a year worth of money to get you
> started. It will more than likely take 6 months at least for 
> the business to
> take off good. That is if you got a good place and a good 
> market. You are
> not going to start a brick and mortar business for a few 
> hundred bucks. Now
> internet that is totally different. Their you might get by as 
> little as 50
> bucks and up. Just my thoughts and experience.
>  
> 
> 
> sign,
> Joe Plummer (JP)
> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Charles Atkins
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:54 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new 
> approach for a car
> for the blind
> 
> Right Guys!
> 
> I don't see why we couldn't form an entrepreneurial type 
> association of
> about a million strong, each spend ten dollars a month that 
> goes toward the
> purchase of a new business.  Repeat it every year until some 
> day in the
> distant future we can have a sizable share of all businesses 
> on the planet
> to work for us.  Seem like this would be smarter than our sitting here
> waiting for someone to discover something!
> 
> A Hundred years, a hundred businesses!
> 
> Competing with the rest of society.
> 
> That's a million times a hundred and twenty dollars going in 
> to every single
> business, atleast!
> 
> A lot cheaper than some of these devices they sell us costing 
> four and five
> thousand each.
> 
> You buy one, how do you buy the next one?
> 
> Go figure!
> 
> It is time for us to, while the iron is hot strike friends!
> 
> Yes We Can!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 3:50 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new 
> approach for a car
> for the blind
> 
> 
> > It is beingdone now as we talk about this.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:36 PM
> > Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new 
> approach for 
> > a car for the blind
> >
> >
> >> Intristing I think that the way to go now is for blind people to 
> >> start looking at owning their own businesses.  I think 
> that the dbs 
> >> system is so broken right now, until things are just never 
> going to 
> >> change for the forseeable future. I know that everybody 
> can't own a 
> >> business, but we can change the direction from working for 
> the man to 
> >> setting our own destenies.
> >> What you think?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
> >>
> >> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
> >> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org 
> >> Choose ye this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then 
> >> serve him, with all of your hart.  However, if bail be 
> your master.  
> >> Then serve him.  As for me, and my house.  We choose, to 
> serve Yahweh!
> >>
> >> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a 
> >> small child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of 
> bail.  He 
> >> said that Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go 
> on ahead, 
> >> because they had a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 
> >> participants, and he only had one.  Elijah, also reminded 
> them, that 
> >> they had to drag their god up the mountain side on an ox 
> cart.  the 
> >> man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim would be there when he 
> >> arrived.  He said mockingly,you go on ahead.
> >> Heck, I
> >> will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take 
> a nap, and 
> >> when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go 
> ahead now, take 
> >> your best shot.
> >> Bishop Joe O Patterson
> >> A blessed memory
> >> 1963-1989
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> >> Behalf Of Allison and Chip Orange
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:57 PM
> >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [tabi] jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new 
> approach for a 
> >> car for the blind
> >>
> >> Yes, we need to help think of ideas to get this general 
> view of the 
> >> blind changed.
> >>
> >> It would be good if the Florida DBS would consider this as part of 
> >> their general mandate to help the blind get  jobs; they could, for 
> >> example, create PSAs showing successfully employed blind people, 
> >> along with commentary from their employers saying in 
> effect, "we have 
> >> a good worker here and don't regret hiring someone with a 
> disability; 
> >> neither should anyone else."
> >> Getting something like this aired might be the best way toward 
> >> convincing other employers to try someone with a 
> disability.  There 
> >> must be other ideas waiting to be tried which could work towards 
> >> changing societal atitudes as well, if DBS would just consider the 
> >> challenge.
> >>
> >> Chip
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> >> Behalf Of Joe Plummer
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:44 AM
> >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
> >>
> >> Hi, yes jobs is important! But the problem is not the jobs 
> they are 
> >> out there that we can do and do as good or almost as good as our 
> >> seeing partners. The problem is getting the companies to 
> hire us. We 
> >> have to change the way they look at us as well as the 
> general public. 
> >> They the general public and companies don't look at us employable. 
> >> They have a negative view of us to start with. Just my thoughts.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> sign,
> >> Joe Plummer (JP)
> >> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Daniel Ben Moshe
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 10:01 PM
> >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
> >>
> >> Wow this is cool on the surface.  However lets really examine this 
> >> prospect.
> >> The reality is that the average blind person will not be 
> able to own one 
> >> of
> >> these cars because of economics'.  Also the market for 
> such cars will be
> >> very small.  Like much of our technology, it is over 
> priced, and leaves 
> >> much
> >> to be desired when it comes to quality. Many of our blind citizens 
> >> struggle
> >> now just to make ends meet, can you imagine the added 
> responsibility of 
> >> now
> >> owning, and maintaining such a car?  You must ask 
> yourself, are we as a
> >> community really ready for such an event? I think, that 
> the research 
> >> should
> >> continue, but we ought to really keep focused on what 
> really matters. 
> >> Jobs,
> >> Jobs, and more jobs.  Because if we have the correct jobs 
> for our blind
> >> citizens, then we will not have to struggle just to make 
> those ends meet.
> >> Just my thoughts.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
> >>
> >> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
> >> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, 
> www.theblindcansee.org Choose
> 
> >> ye
> >> this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then 
> serve him, with 
> >> all
> >> of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.  Then 
> serve him.  As for 
> >> me,
> >> and my house.  We choose, to serve Yahweh!
> >>
> >> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when 
> I was a small
> >> child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.  
> He said that
> >> Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, 
> because they 
> >> had
> >> a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 
> participants, and he 
> >> only
> >> had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to 
> drag their god up 
> >> the
> >> mountain side on an ox cart.  the man of yahweh, also 
> said, that his 
> >> Elohim
> >> would be there when he arrived.  He said mockingly, you go 
> on ahead. 
> >> Heck,
> >> I will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to 
> take a nap, and 
> >> when
> >> you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead 
> now, take your 
> >> best
> >> shot.
> >> Bishop Joe O Patterson
> >> A blessed memory
> >> 1963-1989
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Allison and Chip Orange
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:42 PM
> >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
> >>
> >> well, it may be that an actual car for the blind which 
> works like this 
> >> never
> >> does hit the market, but, think how much technology might 
> be invented;
> >> technology having to do with sensors, and conveying 
> information from the
> >> sensor to the blind person in some way which isn't verbal 
> and isn't in
> >> braille, as part of the research for this project.  The 
> space program
> >> certainly did that, and it's often sighted as the primary 
> benefit of the
> >> moon landings, instead of the actual landings themselves.
> >>
> >> So, while I agree with Barbara and "Joe" about the 
> possible problems with
> >> this approach, I hope the research continues.
> >>
> >> One other point to consider is the cost?  owning the 
> average automobile
> >> today costs something like $9000 a year (and that's a lot 
> of cab rides 
> >> right
> >> there); can you imagine what the cost for the vehicle, and 
> the insurance,
> >> would be?
> >>
> >> Chip
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Joe Plummer
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:05 PM
> >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
> >>
> >> Hi, I don't think this is a good idea. Let me tell you 
> why. I think at 
> >> some
> >> point in time not in my life time they will have a 
> computer command 
> >> vehicle,
> >> that would be able to drive just about any where sort like 
> the movie 
> >> night
> >> rider the car in it. Now this is great for us but what happens if 
> >> something
> >> fails. I don't think the blind community having the way or 
> right to drive
> 
> >> is
> >> worth one person getting killed or injured in any way, 
> especially if they
> >> get injured badly. This is not worth having this freedom. 
> Now if they 
> >> could
> >> apply this to maybe some kind of navigation so we would 
> not need help
> >> walking and shopping and cooking and doing every day stuff 
> then this 
> >> would
> >> be nice. I think we need to focus on the small things and 
> then go from
> >> there. We have problems with the every day task that needs 
> to be fixed
> >> before we jump to driving. This is my thoughts.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> sign,
> >> Joe Plummer (JP)
> >> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Barbara Lineberry
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:44 PM
> >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
> >>
> >> I saw something like this on TV several months ago, maybe 
> a year ago. 
> >> The
> >> driver had a sighted person giving directions and the test 
> was perfect. 
> >> My
> >> problem is I believe that people who are blind can do a 
> whole lot of 
> >> things,
> >> many of them much better than me, including having a sense 
> of direction 
> >> and
> >> getting me to a location by directing me and I think it is 
> terrific.  I'm
> >> not so sure about the driving, because it is hard enough 
> to drive, being
> >> sighted, and having to deal with drunks, teenagers and 
> people whose eyes 
> >> are
> >> failing but they won't admit it, and even cloudbursts.  I 
> read this 
> >> article
> >> and tried to imagine what things might happen.  It would 
> be amazing if
> >> something could happen to make this possible.  I didn't 
> learn to drive 
> >> until
> >> I was 30 because it was thought my orthopedic problems 
> were too severe. 
> >> And
> >> I've had several periods since I could drive that I was 
> not able to for
> >> various reasons.  I know it is hard, and having the 
> feeling of freedom is
> >> great, but I won't always be able to drive.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:15 PM
> >> Subject: [tabi] a new approach for a car for the blind
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Could a blind person drive a car? 
> Researchers are
> >>> trying to make that far-fetched notion a reality.
> >>> The National Federation of the Blind and Virginia Tech plan to
> >>> demonstrate
> >>
> >>> a
> >>> prototype
> >>> vehicle next year equipped with technology that helps a 
> blind person
> >>> drive
> >>
> >>> a
> >>> car
> >>> independently.
> >>> The technology, called "nonvisual interfaces," uses 
> sensors to let a
> >>> blind driver maneuver a car based on information 
> transmitted to him
> >>> about his
> >>> surroundings: whether
> >>> another car or object is nearby, in front of him or in a 
> neighboring 
> >>> lane.
> >>> Advocates for the blind consider it a "moon shot," a goal 
> similar to
> >>> President John F. Kennedy's pledge to land a man on the 
> moon. For many
> >>> blind people, driving a car long has been considered 
> impossible. But
> >>> researchers hope the project could revolutionize mobility and
> >>> challenge long-held assumptions about limitations.
> >>> "We're exploring areas that have previously been regarded as
> >>> unexplorable,"
> >>> said
> >>> Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of 
> the Blind.
> >>> "We're moving away from the theory that blindness ends 
> the capacity of
> >>> human beings to make contributions to society."
> >>> The Baltimore-based organization announced its plans for 
> the vehicle
> >>> demonstration at a news conference Friday in Daytona Beach, Fla.
> >>> A blind person, who has not yet been chosen, will drive 
> the vehicle on
> >>> a course near the famed Daytona race track and attempt to 
> simulate a
> >>> typical driving experience.
> >>> Maurer first talked about building an automobile that the 
> blind could
> >>> drive about a decade ago when he launched the 
> organization's research
> >>> institute.
> >>> "Some people thought I was crazy and they thought, 'Why 
> do you want us
> >>> to raise money for something that can't be done?' Others 
> thought it
> >>> was a great idea,"
> >>> Maurer said.
> >>> "Some people were incredulous. Others thought the idea 
> was incredible."
> >>> The vehicle has its roots in Virginia Tech's 2007 entry 
> into the DARPA
> >>> Grand Challenge, a competition for driverless vehicles 
> funded by the
> >>> Defense Department's research arm. The university's team won third
> >>> place for a self-driving vehicle that used sensors to perceive
> >>> traffic, avoid crashing into other cars and objects and 
> run like any
> >>> other vehicle.
> >>> Following their success, Virginia Tech's team responded 
> to a challenge
> >>> from the National Federation of the Blind to help build a car that
> >>> could be driven by a blind person.
> >>> Virginia Tech first created a dune buggy as part of a feasibility
> >>> study that used sensor lasers and cameras to act as the 
> eyes of the
> >>> vehicle. A vibrating vest was used to direct the driver 
> to speed up,
> >>> slow down or make turns.
> >>> The blind organization was impressed by the results and urged the
> >>> researchers to keep pushing. The results will be demonstrated next
> >>> January on a modified Ford Escape sport utility vehicle 
> at the Daytona
> >>> International Speedway before the Rolex
> >>> 24 race.
> >>> The latest vehicle will use nonvisual interfaces to help a blind
> >>> driver operate the car. One interface, called DriveGrip, 
> uses gloves
> >>> with vibrating motors on areas that cover the knuckles. 
> The vibrations
> >>> signal to the driver when and where to turn.
> >>> Another interface, called AirPix, is a tablet about half 
> the size of a
> >>> sheet of paper with multiple air holes, almost like those 
> found on an
> >>> air hockey game.
> >>> Compressed
> >>> air coming out of the device helps inform the driver of his or her
> >>> surroundings, essentially creating a map of the objects around a
> >>> vehicle. It would show whether there's another vehicle in a nearby
> >>> lane or an obstruction in the road.
> >>> A blind person, who has not yet been chosen, will drive 
> the vehicle on
> >>> a course near the famed Daytona race track and attempt to 
> simulate a
> >>> typical driving experience.
> >>> Dr. Dennis Hong, a mechanical engineering professor at 
> Virginia Tech
> >>> who leads the research, said the technology could someday 
> help a blind
> >>> driver operate a vehicle but could also be used on conventional
> >>> vehicles to make them safer or on other applications.
> >>> Hong, who directs the school's Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory,
> >>> said they hope to turn the technology into a consumer 
> product. But he
> >>> added, "This is not going to be a product until its 
> proven 100 percent
> >>> safe."
> >>> Advocates for the blind say it will take time before 
> society accepts
> >>> the potential of blind drivers and that the safety of the 
> technology
> >>> will need to be proven through years of testing. But more than
> >>> anything, they say it's part of a broader mission to 
> change the way
> >>> people perceive the blind.
> >>> Mark Riccobono, executive director of the NFB's Jernigan 
> Institute,
> >>> said when he walks down the street with his 3-year-old son, many
> >>> people might think he, as a blind person, is being guided 
> by his son.
> >>> "The idea that a 3-year-old takes care of me stems from what they
> >>> think about blindness,"
> >>> Riccobono said. "That will change when people see that we can do
> >>> something that they thought was impossible."
> >>>
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