[tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:54:40 -0400
Yes, but most banks today is being very conservative and besides that most
poor people don't have the credit that it takes to get these type of loans.
Another words it takes a poor person a lot more than just a dream and will
to get started. Now this is normal poor people. Thro a handicap or
disability in it and they don't Stan a chance as a snowball in he** of
making it or getting started off in his own business. That is a brick and
mortar one.
sign,
Joe Plummer (JP)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Allison and Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:08 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car
for the blind
Yes, you're right, that's what banks are for; these kinds of business which
require a lot of startup capitol.
Chip
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joe Plummer
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:37 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car
for the blind
Well, it is hard to start a business, with a few thousand bucks. I looked
into getting started here in Quincy with a franchise opening up a Fire House
Sub and you need at least 75 thousand bucks and would better off if had 100
thousands bucks. So opening up a business that is just one franchise is more
than most common people can afford. Now can you open up a business for
cheaper yes. But this would still require say 25 thousand bucks to get
started. If not doing internet stuff and doing brick and mortar business it
will cost. You know you will more than likely not even be able to rent a
place for less than 500 to 600 bucks a month. This does not include lights
and stock and help and Pc's and the list goes on and on. You really need for
a brick and mortar business to have a year worth of money to get you
started. It will more than likely take 6 months at least for the business to
take off good. That is if you got a good place and a good market. You are
not going to start a brick and mortar business for a few hundred bucks. Now
internet that is totally different. Their you might get by as little as 50
bucks and up. Just my thoughts and experience.
sign,
Joe Plummer (JP)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Charles Atkins
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:54 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car
for the blind
Right Guys!
I don't see why we couldn't form an entrepreneurial type association of
about a million strong, each spend ten dollars a month that goes toward the
purchase of a new business. Repeat it every year until some day in the
distant future we can have a sizable share of all businesses on the planet
to work for us. Seem like this would be smarter than our sitting here
waiting for someone to discover something!
A Hundred years, a hundred businesses!
Competing with the rest of society.
That's a million times a hundred and twenty dollars going in to every single
business, atleast!
A lot cheaper than some of these devices they sell us costing four and five
thousand each.
You buy one, how do you buy the next one?
Go figure!
It is time for us to, while the iron is hot strike friends!
Yes We Can!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 3:50 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a car
for the blind
> It is beingdone now as we talk about this.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:36 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for
> a car for the blind
>
>
>> Intristing I think that the way to go now is for blind people to
>> start looking at owning their own businesses. I think that the dbs
>> system is so broken right now, until things are just never going to
>> change for the forseeable future. I know that everybody can't own a
>> business, but we can change the direction from working for the man to
>> setting our own destenies.
>> What you think?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
>>
>> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
>> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org
>> Choose ye this day whom you will serve. If Yahweh be Elohim, then
>> serve him, with all of your hart. However, if bail be your master.
>> Then serve him. As for me, and my house. We choose, to serve Yahweh!
>>
>> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a
>> small child. About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail. He
>> said that Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead,
>> because they had a much larger program. He said that they had 450
>> participants, and he only had one. Elijah, also reminded them, that
>> they had to drag their god up the mountain side on an ox cart. the
>> man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim would be there when he
>> arrived. He said mockingly,you go on ahead.
>> Heck, I
>> will even let you call your god first. I'M going to take a nap, and
>> when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take
>> your best shot.
>> Bishop Joe O Patterson
>> A blessed memory
>> 1963-1989
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Allison and Chip Orange
>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:57 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] jobs for the blind; was RE: Re: a new approach for a
>> car for the blind
>>
>> Yes, we need to help think of ideas to get this general view of the
>> blind changed.
>>
>> It would be good if the Florida DBS would consider this as part of
>> their general mandate to help the blind get jobs; they could, for
>> example, create PSAs showing successfully employed blind people,
>> along with commentary from their employers saying in effect, "we have
>> a good worker here and don't regret hiring someone with a disability;
>> neither should anyone else."
>> Getting something like this aired might be the best way toward
>> convincing other employers to try someone with a disability. There
>> must be other ideas waiting to be tried which could work towards
>> changing societal atitudes as well, if DBS would just consider the
>> challenge.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Plummer
>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:44 AM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> Hi, yes jobs is important! But the problem is not the jobs they are
>> out there that we can do and do as good or almost as good as our
>> seeing partners. The problem is getting the companies to hire us. We
>> have to change the way they look at us as well as the general public.
>> They the general public and companies don't look at us employable.
>> They have a negative view of us to start with. Just my thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> sign,
>> Joe Plummer (JP)
>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Daniel Ben Moshe
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 10:01 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> Wow this is cool on the surface. However lets really examine this
>> prospect.
>> The reality is that the average blind person will not be able to own
>> one of these cars because of economics'. Also the market for such
>> cars will be very small. Like much of our technology, it is over
>> priced, and leaves much to be desired when it comes to quality. Many
>> of our blind citizens struggle now just to make ends meet, can you
>> imagine the added responsibility of now owning, and maintaining such
>> a car? You must ask yourself, are we as a community really ready for
>> such an event? I think, that the research should continue, but we
>> ought to really keep focused on what really matters.
>> Jobs,
>> Jobs, and more jobs. Because if we have the correct jobs for our
>> blind citizens, then we will not have to struggle just to make those
>> ends
meet.
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>>
>> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
>>
>> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
>> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org
>> Choose
>> ye
>> this day whom you will serve. If Yahweh be Elohim, then serve him,
>> with all of your hart. However, if bail be your master. Then serve
>> him. As for me, and my house. We choose, to serve Yahweh!
>>
>> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a
>> small child. About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail. He
>> said that Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead,
>> because they had a much larger program. He said that they had 450
>> participants, and he only had one. Elijah, also reminded them, that
>> they had to drag their god up the mountain side on an ox cart. the
>> man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim would be there when he
>> arrived. He said mockingly, you go on ahead.
>> Heck,
>> I will even let you call your god first. I'M going to take a nap,
>> and when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now,
>> take your best shot.
>> Bishop Joe O Patterson
>> A blessed memory
>> 1963-1989
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Allison and Chip Orange
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:42 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> well, it may be that an actual car for the blind which works like
>> this never does hit the market, but, think how much technology might
>> be invented; technology having to do with sensors, and conveying
>> information from the sensor to the blind person in some way which
>> isn't verbal and isn't in braille, as part of the research for this
>> project. The space program certainly did that, and it's often
>> sighted as the primary benefit of the moon landings, instead of the
>> actual landings themselves.
>>
>> So, while I agree with Barbara and "Joe" about the possible problems
>> with this approach, I hope the research continues.
>>
>> One other point to consider is the cost? owning the average
>> automobile today costs something like $9000 a year (and that's a lot
>> of cab rides right there); can you imagine what the cost for the
>> vehicle, and the insurance, would be?
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Plummer
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:05 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> Hi, I don't think this is a good idea. Let me tell you why. I think
>> at some point in time not in my life time they will have a computer
>> command vehicle, that would be able to drive just about any where
>> sort like the movie night rider the car in it. Now this is great for
>> us but what happens if something fails. I don't think the blind
>> community having the way or right to drive
>> is
>> worth one person getting killed or injured in any way, especially if
>> they get injured badly. This is not worth having this freedom. Now if
>> they could apply this to maybe some kind of navigation so we would
>> not need help walking and shopping and cooking and doing every day
>> stuff then this would be nice. I think we need to focus on the small
>> things and then go from there. We have problems with the every day
>> task that needs to be fixed before we jump to driving. This is my
>> thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> sign,
>> Joe Plummer (JP)
>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Barbara Lineberry
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:44 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>> I saw something like this on TV several months ago, maybe a year ago.
>> The
>> driver had a sighted person giving directions and the test was perfect.
>> My
>> problem is I believe that people who are blind can do a whole lot of
>> things, many of them much better than me, including having a sense of
>> direction and getting me to a location by directing me and I think it
>> is terrific. I'm not so sure about the driving, because it is hard
>> enough to drive, being sighted, and having to deal with drunks,
>> teenagers and people whose eyes are failing but they won't admit it,
>> and even cloudbursts. I read this article and tried to imagine what
>> things might happen. It would be amazing if something could happen
>> to make this possible. I didn't learn to drive until I was 30
>> because it was thought my orthopedic problems were too severe.
>> And
>> I've had several periods since I could drive that I was not able to
>> for various reasons. I know it is hard, and having the feeling of
>> freedom is great, but I won't always be able to drive.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:15 PM
>> Subject: [tabi] a new approach for a car for the blind
>>
>>
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Could a blind person drive a car? Researchers are
>>> trying to make that far-fetched notion a reality.
>>> The National Federation of the Blind and Virginia Tech plan to
>>> demonstrate
>>
>>> a
>>> prototype
>>> vehicle next year equipped with technology that helps a blind person
>>> drive
>>
>>> a
>>> car
>>> independently.
>>> The technology, called "nonvisual interfaces," uses sensors to let a
>>> blind driver maneuver a car based on information transmitted to him
>>> about his
>>> surroundings: whether
>>> another car or object is nearby, in front of him or in a neighboring
>>> lane.
>>> Advocates for the blind consider it a "moon shot," a goal similar to
>>> President John F. Kennedy's pledge to land a man on the moon. For
>>> many blind people, driving a car long has been considered
>>> impossible. But researchers hope the project could revolutionize
>>> mobility and challenge long-held assumptions about limitations.
>>> "We're exploring areas that have previously been regarded as
>>> unexplorable,"
>>> said
>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind.
>>> "We're moving away from the theory that blindness ends the capacity
>>> of human beings to make contributions to society."
>>> The Baltimore-based organization announced its plans for the vehicle
>>> demonstration at a news conference Friday in Daytona Beach, Fla.
>>> A blind person, who has not yet been chosen, will drive the vehicle
>>> on a course near the famed Daytona race track and attempt to
>>> simulate a typical driving experience.
>>> Maurer first talked about building an automobile that the blind
>>> could drive about a decade ago when he launched the organization's
>>> research institute.
>>> "Some people thought I was crazy and they thought, 'Why do you want
>>> us to raise money for something that can't be done?' Others thought
>>> it was a great idea,"
>>> Maurer said.
>>> "Some people were incredulous. Others thought the idea was incredible."
>>> The vehicle has its roots in Virginia Tech's 2007 entry into the
>>> DARPA Grand Challenge, a competition for driverless vehicles funded
>>> by the Defense Department's research arm. The university's team won
>>> third place for a self-driving vehicle that used sensors to perceive
>>> traffic, avoid crashing into other cars and objects and run like any
>>> other vehicle.
>>> Following their success, Virginia Tech's team responded to a
>>> challenge from the National Federation of the Blind to help build a
>>> car that could be driven by a blind person.
>>> Virginia Tech first created a dune buggy as part of a feasibility
>>> study that used sensor lasers and cameras to act as the eyes of the
>>> vehicle. A vibrating vest was used to direct the driver to speed up,
>>> slow down or make turns.
>>> The blind organization was impressed by the results and urged the
>>> researchers to keep pushing. The results will be demonstrated next
>>> January on a modified Ford Escape sport utility vehicle at the
>>> Daytona International Speedway before the Rolex
>>> 24 race.
>>> The latest vehicle will use nonvisual interfaces to help a blind
>>> driver operate the car. One interface, called DriveGrip, uses gloves
>>> with vibrating motors on areas that cover the knuckles. The
>>> vibrations signal to the driver when and where to turn.
>>> Another interface, called AirPix, is a tablet about half the size of
>>> a sheet of paper with multiple air holes, almost like those found on
>>> an air hockey game.
>>> Compressed
>>> air coming out of the device helps inform the driver of his or her
>>> surroundings, essentially creating a map of the objects around a
>>> vehicle. It would show whether there's another vehicle in a nearby
>>> lane or an obstruction in the road.
>>> A blind person, who has not yet been chosen, will drive the vehicle
>>> on a course near the famed Daytona race track and attempt to
>>> simulate a typical driving experience.
>>> Dr. Dennis Hong, a mechanical engineering professor at Virginia Tech
>>> who leads the research, said the technology could someday help a
>>> blind driver operate a vehicle but could also be used on
>>> conventional vehicles to make them safer or on other applications.
>>> Hong, who directs the school's Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory,
>>> said they hope to turn the technology into a consumer product. But
>>> he added, "This is not going to be a product until its proven 100
>>> percent safe."
>>> Advocates for the blind say it will take time before society accepts
>>> the potential of blind drivers and that the safety of the technology
>>> will need to be proven through years of testing. But more than
>>> anything, they say it's part of a broader mission to change the way
>>> people perceive the blind.
>>> Mark Riccobono, executive director of the NFB's Jernigan Institute,
>>> said when he walks down the street with his 3-year-old son, many
>>> people might think he, as a blind person, is being guided by his son.
>>> "The idea that a 3-year-old takes care of me stems from what they
>>> think about blindness,"
>>> Riccobono said. "That will change when people see that we can do
>>> something that they thought was impossible."
>>>
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