[tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
- From: Erica <ericamccaul@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:21:05 -0400 (EDT)
Next by Text is handy for any bus rider who doesn't have a print schedule
handy, can't access it, or finds that it is out-of-date.
I've used it extensively, and am excited that Starmetro is working on getting
it from "scheduled" times to "real-time".
I have a Notes file in my QUERTY slide phone with the next-by-text codes of
locations I frequent, so I can have the schedule always handy.
Erica
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy Talk <Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:26 am
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
So what is the point of having it?
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:08 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>I will note however the texting system only returns schedule times, not
> real times based on bus position, lateness on route, break-downs,
> whatever. If you have a bus schedule you have the same information.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:31 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> The StarMetro drivers are supposed to announce stops and, for the most
> part, do a good job. Also, if a driver notes that a passenger is
> visually impaired they will usually do a good job of telling the
> visually impaired rider what route they are. The braille signs also
> include 'next by text' numbers which allow riders to text a number to
> find out the estimated time of arrival for their bus. A pretty cool
> system.
>
> I'm glad you like it so much in south Florida.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Ben Moshe <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 1:08 pm
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> I think Miami has a phone number that you can call to receive that
> information as well. I do believe that the stops should be labeled, but
> in
> conjunction with having the bus announcements every time a bus stops.
> And
> you can hear the announcement weather you are on the bus or on the side
> of
> the road at a stop. Tallahassee would benefit greatly from working with
> the
> Miami Dade transit authority. I have been living back in south Florida
> for
> 11 years, and the south Florida system is one of the best I believe in
> the
> state.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:53 AM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> With the Braille signs you don't have to wait for the bus to show up to
> know
> if you're in the right place or not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Ben Moshe <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:37 am
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> Why don't they just do like they do in Miami Dade county have the bus
> set up
> to announce the rout and it's ending place when the bus stops or opens
> the
> door. For example if I'm at the Aventurah mall, and I'm waiting on a
> bus to
> go to down town Miami. The bus will come up to the curb, and the door
> will
> open, and announce "RT. 3 down town Miami." and I will know if this is
> the
> rout I need.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Matt Presnell
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:14 AM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> So typical government ! They think whatever they do is flawless and
> cannot
> be approved upon ! Now I have never seen a system bus or anything else
> that
> could not be improved! Most of the time government is about 90 percent
> wrong
> in whatever they do. So they have to come back and redo ! You see it
> all the
> time. Now yes I agree if the blind community around the Tallahassee area
> that was going to use the system or might use the system should have
> put in
> some input . Now would the input been taken for consideration that is
> another thing. I do think just like any other system things needs
> tweaking.
> You never will get things perfect or make everyone happy but you can
> strive
> for that! Now this being said as for me I don't live in Tallahassee and
> if I
> did I would not use the bus system. I would use another means of
> transportation. I would say if it is at all possible that one that don't
> really like the Bus system to find other ways of transportation! Like
> taxies, Friends or Family or walking or an independent bus or van
> system.
> So wish you all luck with this big perfect government system and hope
> too
> many people don't get killed trying to use it. That is the short people
> climbing the pole or the person that accidently pokes someone in the
> eye or
> something trying to find a pole and read the brail sign and the person
> on
> the receiving side don't just go mad for some reason and starts kicking
> the
> crappe out of someone or pull out a knife or gun and shoot them or
> something
> like that. It really is nowhere near a perfect system. It really needs
> tweaking! Now this is all I will say about this subject on list at all
> unless someone attacks me personally ! Wish you all luck!
>
>
> Matt
> Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Lynn Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:18 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> Well we all do go on. The bus has already left the stop and you weren't
> on
> it. Now maybe you were too busy two years ago not to be involved it this
> discussion. Star Metro is not going to rethink the Braille signage
> because
> it's a done deal.
>
> As for short people, how does that Randy Newman song go? Maybe one could
> stand on top of their guide dog or shimmy up there white cane.
>
> The buddy seats at the bus stops was a clever idea to provide seating
> where
> there is none. Most times there is no area for a bus shelter and the
> buddy
> seat saves quite a bit of money. As for reaching out and touching
> someone
> when reaching for the Braille signage; I guess you will need to bring
> your
> manners with you and pardon yourself then kindly ask for bus stop info.
>
> Me thinks some of us on this list post for the sake of argument.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Presnell
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:56 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> Well, it does if you are short. Because most average men is 5 feet 10
> inches
> to 6 feet. So if you are short then yes you might not even be able to
> reach
> the sign. Sounds like to me they need to completely rethink the sign
> thing.
>
> Matt
> Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of blindwilly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:19 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
>
> Any sign has to be high enough as so people do not bump it with there
> heads.
>
> This makes the sign too high to read for most people.
>
> William
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Presnell" <matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:58 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
>
>>I not a brail reader myself but I tend to agree with Chip on this it
> would
>> have made since to have the brail on the sign when you came up to the
> sign
>> you touch the top of the sign and read left to right rather than have
> to
>> turn sideways and then read left to right. No sighted person reads
> like
>> that
>> . they read from the top to the bottom not from the side bottom to the
>> side
>> top. Yes it would have made since to have it oriented in the correct
>> position! They did not have to turn the sign but the writing of the
> brail.
>> If not the writing of the brail then the signed itself. JST
>>
>>
>> Matt
>> Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Adam Gaffney
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:35 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>
>> Hi, I've never seen Braille oriented at all vertically and if I saw
> this
>> and didn't know ahead of time I might not even recognize it as
> Braille.
>> Just my thoughts on this. Besides, it's not like we are reading a
> novel
>> like that.
>> --
>> "The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not
> be
>> made
>> to understand it."
>>
>> - Confucius ca. 480 B.C.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:14 PM
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>
>>
>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>
>>> The signage being parallel to the pole is obvious, and was not
what I
>>> objected to.
>>>
>>> A sighted person however would have rotated each individual letter
90
>>> degrees, and I feel the braille should have been done the same, so
> that a
>>> person would need to rotate their entire hand/arm/wrist in order
to
>>> read each letter.
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Lynn Evans
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:08 PM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>>
>>> When this process began Star Metro ran it through the alphabet
soup
> of A
>>> B
>>
>>> C
>>> and N F B along with the Lighthouse of the Big Bend. Star Metro
had
>>> several
>>> examples of what the signage would eventually look like for anyone
>>> interested to examine.
>>>
>>> The signage has to be parallel with the pole. If the signage was
at
>>> right
>>> angle people would walk into the braille sign causing damage to
the
> sign
>>> or
>>> themselves.
>>>
>>> News 27 this evening reported the signage will be distributed
first
> to
>>> the
>>> transfer points then then throughout the rest of the system.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chip Orange
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:39 AM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>>
>>> It's good there will be braille signs.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, someone made the decision to rotate the entire line
of
>>> characters 90 degrees so that it runs "down" the pole, making it
very
>>> difficult to read (especially so for anyone with the slightest of
>>> mobility
>>> impairments, as you must rotate your wrist/arm 90 degrees). In my
>>> opinion
>>> it would have been much better to rotate each letter 90 degrees
(as
> is
>>> commonly done with printed signs) and stack the letters one
beneath
> the
>>> other.
>>>
>>> If you want to see the difficulty I'm speaking of, just take a
> braille
>>> book
>>> or page and hold it up to a wall 4 or 5 feet off of the ground,
and
>>> rotated
>>> 90 degrees so that you read the braille from top to bottom.
>>> Then try and read a line with one hand and you'll see the
unnatural
>>> position/motion required to read it.
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Easy Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:25 AM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>>
>>> There is an article about the signs on wctv, there web site is
> wctv.tv
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lynn Evans" <austin.evans60@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:22 PM
>>> Subject: [tabi] braille signage at all star stops
>>>
>>>
>>>> braille sign signage star metro has started placing braille
signage
>>> at
>>>> all bus stops starting today.
>>>>
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