[tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

  • From: Charles Atkins <catkins@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:55:50 -0400

I can attest to that one when I was riding and had to be dropped off at an unfamiliar place just on time to catch a down pour; automated announcements would be the way to go. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Easy Talk" <Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


The key word is supposed, maybe you have had good luck getting drivers to do that but I haven't. Even when they do, after about two announcements they stop and don't announce all the stops just ones they remember.

Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: <mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:31 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


The StarMetro drivers are supposed to announce stops and, for the most part, do a good job. Also, if a driver notes that a passenger is visually impaired they will usually do a good job of telling the visually impaired rider what route they are. The braille signs also include 'next by text' numbers which allow riders to text a number to find out the estimated time of arrival for their bus. A pretty cool system.

I'm glad you like it so much in south Florida.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Ben Moshe <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 1:08 pm
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage  at all  star stops

I think Miami has a phone number that you can call to receive that
information as well. I do believe that the stops should be labeled, but in
conjunction with having the bus announcements every time a bus stops. And
you can hear the announcement weather you are on the bus or on the side of the road at a stop. Tallahassee would benefit greatly from working with the Miami Dade transit authority. I have been living back in south Florida for 11 years, and the south Florida system is one of the best I believe in the
state.

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:53 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

With the Braille signs you don't have to wait for the bus to show up to know
if you're in the right place or not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Ben Moshe <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:37 am
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage  at all  star stops

Why don't they just do like they do in Miami Dade county have the bus set up to announce the rout and it's ending place when the bus stops or opens the door. For example if I'm at the Aventurah mall, and I'm waiting on a bus to go to down town Miami. The bus will come up to the curb, and the door will open, and announce "RT. 3 down town Miami." and I will know if this is the
rout I need.

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Matt Presnell
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:14 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

So typical government ! They think whatever they do is flawless and cannot be approved upon ! Now I have never seen a system bus or anything else that could not be improved! Most of the time government is about 90 percent wrong in whatever they do. So they have to come back and redo ! You see it all the
time. Now yes I agree if the blind community around the Tallahassee area
that was going to use the system or might use the system should have put in
some input . Now would the input been taken for consideration that is
another thing. I do think just like any other system things needs tweaking. You never will get things perfect or make everyone happy but you can strive for that! Now this being said as for me I don't live in Tallahassee and if I
did I would not use the bus system. I would use another means of
transportation. I would say if it is at all possible that one that don't
really like the Bus system to find other ways of transportation! Like
taxies, Friends or Family or walking or an independent bus or van system.
So wish you all luck with this big perfect government system and hope too
many people don't get killed trying to use it. That is the short people
climbing the pole or the person that accidently pokes someone in the eye or
something trying to find a pole and read the brail sign and the person on
the receiving side don't just go mad for some reason and starts kicking the crappe out of someone or pull out a knife or gun and shoot them or something
like that.  It really is nowhere near a perfect system. It really needs
tweaking! Now this is all I will say about this subject on list at all
unless someone attacks me personally ! Wish you all luck!


Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Lynn Evans
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:18 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Well we all do go on. The bus has already left the stop and you weren't on
it. Now maybe you were too busy two years ago not to be involved it this
discussion. Star Metro is not going to rethink the Braille signage because
it's a done deal.

As for short people, how does that Randy Newman song go? Maybe one could
stand on top of their guide dog or shimmy up there white cane.

The buddy seats at the bus stops was a clever idea to provide seating where there is none. Most times there is no area for a bus shelter and the buddy
seat saves quite a bit of money.   As for reaching out and touching
someone
when reaching for the Braille signage; I guess you will need to bring your
manners with you and pardon yourself then kindly ask for bus stop info.

Me thinks some of us on this list post for the sake of argument.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Presnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:56 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Well, it does if you are short. Because most average men is 5 feet 10 inches to 6 feet. So if you are short then yes you might not even be able to reach the sign. Sounds like to me they need to completely rethink the sign thing.

Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of blindwilly
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:19 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


Any sign has to be high enough as so people do not bump it with there
heads.

This makes the sign too high to read for most people.

William



----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Presnell" <matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:58 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


I not a brail reader myself but I tend to agree with Chip on this it
would
have made since to have the brail on the sign when you came up to the
sign
you touch the top of the sign and read left to right rather than have
to
turn sideways and then read left to right. No sighted person reads
like
that
. they read from the top to the bottom not from the side bottom to the
side
top. Yes it would have made since to have it oriented   in the correct
position! They did not have to turn the sign but the writing of the
brail.
If not the writing of the brail then the signed itself. JST


Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Adam Gaffney
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:35 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Hi, I've never seen Braille oriented  at all vertically and if I saw
this
and didn't know ahead of time I might not even recognize it as
Braille.
Just my thoughts on this.  Besides, it's not like we are reading a
novel
like that.
--
"The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not
be
made
to understand it."

-        Confucius ca. 480 B.C.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


Hi Lynn,

The signage being parallel to the pole is obvious, and was not what I
objected to.

A sighted person however would have rotated each individual letter 90
degrees, and I feel the braille should have been done the same, so
that a
person would need to rotate their entire hand/arm/wrist in order to
read each letter.

Chip


-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Lynn Evans
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:08 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

When this process began Star Metro ran it through the alphabet soup
of A
B

C
and N F B along with the Lighthouse of the Big Bend. Star Metro  had
several
examples of what the signage would eventually look like for anyone
interested to examine.

The signage has to be parallel with the pole.  If the signage was at
right
angle people would walk into the braille sign causing damage  to the
sign
or
themselves.

News 27 this evening reported the signage will be distributed first
to
the
transfer points then then throughout the rest of the system.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:39 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

It's good there will be braille signs.

Unfortunately, someone made the decision to rotate the entire line of
characters 90 degrees so that it runs "down" the pole, making it very
difficult to read (especially so for anyone with the slightest of
mobility
impairments, as you must rotate your wrist/arm 90 degrees).  In my
opinion
it would have been much better to rotate each letter 90 degrees (as
is
commonly done with printed signs) and stack the letters one beneath
the
other.

If you want to see the difficulty I'm speaking of, just take a
braille
book
or page and hold it up to a wall 4 or 5 feet off of the ground, and
rotated
90 degrees so that you read the braille from top to bottom.
Then try and read a line with one hand and you'll see the unnatural
position/motion required to read it.

Chip

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Easy Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:25 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

There is an article about the signs on wctv, there web site is
wctv.tv

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Evans" <austin.evans60@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:22 PM
Subject: [tabi] braille signage at all star stops


braille sign signage star  metro has started placing braille signage
at
all bus stops starting today.

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