[tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

  • From: "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:57:40 -0400

I think Miami has a phone number that you can call to receive that
information as well. I do believe that the stops should be labeled, but in
conjunction with having the bus announcements every time a bus stops. And
you can hear the announcement weather you are on the bus or on the side of
the road at a stop. Tallahassee would benefit greatly from working with the
Miami Dade transit authority.  I have been living back in south Florida for
11 years, and the south Florida system is one of the best I believe in the
state.      

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:53 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

With the Braille signs you don't have to wait for the bus to show up to know
if you're in the right place or not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Ben Moshe <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:37 am
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage  at all  star stops

Why don't they just do like they do in Miami Dade county have the bus set up
to announce the rout and it's ending place when the bus stops or opens the
door. For example if I'm at the Aventurah mall, and I'm waiting on a bus to
go to down town Miami.  The bus will come up to the curb, and the door will
open, and announce "RT. 3 down town Miami."  and I will know if this is the
rout I need.

-----Original Message-----
 From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Matt Presnell
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:14 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

So typical government ! They think whatever they do is flawless and cannot
be approved upon ! Now I have never seen a system bus or anything else that
could not be improved! Most of the time government is about 90 percent wrong
in whatever they do. So they have to come back and redo ! You see it all the
time. Now yes I agree if the blind community around the Tallahassee area
that was going to use the system or might use the system should have put in
some input . Now would the input been taken for consideration that is
another thing. I do think just like any other system things needs tweaking.
You never will get things perfect or make everyone happy but you can strive
for that! Now this being said as for me I don't live in Tallahassee and if I
did I would not use the bus system. I would use another means of
transportation. I would say if it is at all possible that one that don't
really like the Bus system to find other ways of transportation! Like
taxies, Friends or Family or  walking or an independent bus or van system.
So wish you all luck with this big perfect government system and hope too
many people don't get killed trying to use it. That is the short people
climbing the pole or the person that accidently pokes someone in the eye or
something trying to find a pole and read the brail sign and the person on
the receiving side don't just go mad for some reason and starts kicking the
crappe out of someone or pull out a knife or gun and shoot them or something
like that.  It really is nowhere near a perfect system. It really needs
tweaking! Now this is all I will say about this subject on list at all
unless someone attacks me personally ! Wish you all luck!


Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
 From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Lynn Evans
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:18 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Well we all do go on. The bus has already left the stop and you weren't on
it. Now maybe you were too busy two years ago not to be involved it this
discussion. Star Metro is not going to rethink the Braille signage because
it's a done deal.

As for short people, how does that Randy Newman song go? Maybe one could
stand on top of their guide dog or shimmy up there white cane.

The buddy seats at the bus stops was a clever idea to provide seating where
there is none. Most times there is no area for a bus shelter and the buddy
seat saves quite a bit of money.   As for reaching out and touching 
someone
when reaching for the Braille signage; I guess you will need to bring your
manners with you and pardon yourself then kindly ask for bus stop info.

Me thinks some of us on this list post for the sake of argument.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Presnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:56 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Well, it does if you are short. Because most average men is 5 feet 10 inches
to 6 feet. So if you are short then yes you might not even be able to reach
the sign. Sounds like to me they need to completely rethink the sign thing.

Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
 From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of blindwilly
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:19 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


Any sign has to be high enough as so people do not bump it with there 
heads.

This makes the sign too high to read for most people.

William



----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Presnell" <matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:58 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


>I not a brail reader myself but I tend to agree with Chip on this it 
would
> have made since to have the brail on the sign when you came up to the 
sign
> you touch the top of the sign and read left to right rather than have 
to
> turn sideways and then read left to right. No sighted person reads 
like
> that
> . they read from the top to the bottom not from the side bottom to the
> side
> top. Yes it would have made since to have it oriented   in the correct
> position! They did not have to turn the sign but the writing of the 
brail.
> If not the writing of the brail then the signed itself. JST
>
>
> Matt
> Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Adam Gaffney
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:35 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> Hi, I've never seen Braille oriented  at all vertically and if I saw 
this
> and didn't know ahead of time I might not even recognize it as 
Braille.
> Just my thoughts on this.  Besides, it's not like we are reading a 
novel
> like that.
> --
> "The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not 
be
> made
> to understand it."
>
> -        Confucius ca. 480 B.C.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:14 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
>
>> Hi Lynn,
>>
>> The signage being parallel to the pole is obvious, and was not what I
>> objected to.
>>
>> A sighted person however would have rotated each individual letter 90
>> degrees, and I feel the braille should have been done the same, so 
that a
>> person would need to rotate their entire hand/arm/wrist in order to
>> read each letter.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Lynn Evans
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:08 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>
>> When this process began Star Metro ran it through the alphabet soup 
of A
>> B
>
>> C
>> and N F B along with the Lighthouse of the Big Bend. Star Metro  had
>> several
>> examples of what the signage would eventually look like for anyone
>> interested to examine.
>>
>> The signage has to be parallel with the pole.  If the signage was at
>> right
>> angle people would walk into the braille sign causing damage  to the 
sign
>> or
>> themselves.
>>
>> News 27 this evening reported the signage will be distributed first 
to
>> the
>> transfer points then then throughout the rest of the system.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chip Orange
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:39 AM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>
>> It's good there will be braille signs.
>>
>> Unfortunately, someone made the decision to rotate the entire line of
>> characters 90 degrees so that it runs "down" the pole, making it very
>> difficult to read (especially so for anyone with the slightest of
>> mobility
>> impairments, as you must rotate your wrist/arm 90 degrees).  In my
>> opinion
>> it would have been much better to rotate each letter 90 degrees (as 
is
>> commonly done with printed signs) and stack the letters one beneath 
the
>> other.
>>
>> If you want to see the difficulty I'm speaking of, just take a 
braille
>> book
>> or page and hold it up to a wall 4 or 5 feet off of the ground, and
>> rotated
>> 90 degrees so that you read the braille from top to bottom.
>> Then try and read a line with one hand and you'll see the unnatural
>> position/motion required to read it.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Easy Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:25 AM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>
>> There is an article about the signs on wctv, there web site is 
wctv.tv
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lynn Evans" <austin.evans60@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:22 PM
>> Subject: [tabi] braille signage at all star stops
>>
>>
>>> braille sign signage star  metro has started placing braille signage
>> at
>>> all bus stops starting today.
>>>
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