[tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

  • From: "Matt Presnell" <matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 02:14:06 -0400

So typical government ! They think whatever they do is flawless and cannot be 
approved upon ! Now I have never seen a system bus or anything else that could 
not be improved! Most of the time government is about 90 percent wrong in 
whatever they do. So they have to come back and redo ! You see it all the time. 
Now yes I agree if the blind community around the Tallahassee area that was 
going to use the system or might use the system should have put in some input . 
Now would the input been taken for consideration that is another thing. I do 
think just like any other system things needs tweaking. You never will get 
things perfect or make everyone happy but you can strive for that! Now this 
being said as for me I don't live in Tallahassee and if I did I would not use 
the bus system. I would use another means of transportation. I would say if it 
is at all possible that one that don't really like the Bus system to find other 
ways of transportation! Like taxies, Friends or Family or walking or an 
independent bus or van system.  So wish you all luck with this big perfect 
government system and hope too many people don't get killed trying to use it. 
That is the short people climbing the pole or the person that accidently pokes 
someone in the eye or something trying to find a pole and read the brail sign 
and the person on the receiving side don't just go mad for some reason and 
starts kicking the crappe out of someone or pull out a knife or gun and shoot 
them or something like that.  It really is nowhere near a perfect system. It 
really needs tweaking! Now this is all I will say about this subject on list at 
all unless someone attacks me personally ! Wish you all luck! 


Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Lynn Evans
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:18 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Well we all do go on. The bus has already left the stop and you weren't on it. 
Now maybe you were too busy two years ago not to be involved it this 
discussion. Star Metro is not going to rethink the Braille signage because it’s 
a done deal.

As for short people, how does that Randy Newman song go? Maybe one could stand 
on top of their guide dog or shimmy up there white cane.

The buddy seats at the bus stops was a clever idea to provide seating where 
there is none. Most times there is no area for a bus shelter and the buddy 
seat saves quite a bit of money.   As for reaching out and touching someone 
when reaching for the Braille signage; I guess you will need to bring your 
manners with you and pardon yourself then kindly ask for bus stop info.

Me thinks some of us on this list post for the sake of argument.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Presnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:56 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Well, it does if you are short. Because most average men is 5 feet 10 inches to 
6 feet. So if you are short then yes you might not even be able to reach the 
sign. Sounds like to me they need to completely rethink the sign thing.

Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
blindwilly
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:19 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


Any sign has to be high enough as so people do not bump it with there heads.

This makes the sign too high to read for most people.

William



----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Presnell" <matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:58 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


>I not a brail reader myself but I tend to agree with Chip on this it would
> have made since to have the brail on the sign when you came up to the sign
> you touch the top of the sign and read left to right rather than have to
> turn sideways and then read left to right. No sighted person reads like
> that
> . they read from the top to the bottom not from the side bottom to the
> side
> top. Yes it would have made since to have it oriented   in the correct
> position! They did not have to turn the sign but the writing of the brail.
> If not the writing of the brail then the signed itself. JST
>
>
> Matt
> Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Adam Gaffney
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:35 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
> Hi, I've never seen Braille oriented  at all vertically and if I saw this
> and didn't know ahead of time I might not even recognize it as Braille.
> Just my thoughts on this.  Besides, it's not like we are reading a novel
> like that.
> --
> "The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not be
> made
> to understand it."
>
> -        Confucius ca. 480 B.C.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:14 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>
>
>> Hi Lynn,
>>
>> The signage being parallel to the pole is obvious, and was not what I
>> objected to.
>>
>> A sighted person however would have rotated each individual letter 90
>> degrees, and I feel the braille should have been done the same, so that a
>> person would need to rotate their entire hand/arm/wrist in order to
>> read each letter.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Lynn Evans
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:08 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>
>> When this process began Star Metro ran it through the alphabet soup of A
>> B
>
>> C
>> and N F B along with the Lighthouse of the Big Bend. Star Metro  had
>> several
>> examples of what the signage would eventually look like for anyone
>> interested to examine.
>>
>> The signage has to be parallel with the pole.  If the signage was at
>> right
>> angle people would walk into the braille sign causing damage  to the sign
>> or
>> themselves.
>>
>> News 27 this evening reported the signage will be distributed first to
>> the
>> transfer points then then throughout the rest of the system.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chip Orange
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:39 AM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>
>> It's good there will be braille signs.
>>
>> Unfortunately, someone made the decision to rotate the entire line of
>> characters 90 degrees so that it runs "down" the pole, making it very
>> difficult to read (especially so for anyone with the slightest of
>> mobility
>> impairments, as you must rotate your wrist/arm 90 degrees).  In my
>> opinion
>> it would have been much better to rotate each letter 90 degrees (as is
>> commonly done with printed signs) and stack the letters one beneath the
>> other.
>>
>> If you want to see the difficulty I'm speaking of, just take a braille
>> book
>> or page and hold it up to a wall 4 or 5 feet off of the ground, and
>> rotated
>> 90 degrees so that you read the braille from top to bottom.
>> Then try and read a line with one hand and you'll see the unnatural
>> position/motion required to read it.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Easy Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:25 AM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
>>
>> There is an article about the signs on wctv, there web site is wctv.tv
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lynn Evans" <austin.evans60@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:22 PM
>> Subject: [tabi] braille signage at all star stops
>>
>>
>>> braille sign signage star  metro has started placing braille signage
>> at
>>> all bus stops starting today.
>>>
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