[tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

  • From: Charles Atkins <catkins@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:20:21 -0400

Then if they just don't work, they just don't always amen!


----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Evans" <austin.evans60@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:17 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


Well we all do go on. The bus has already left the stop and you weren't on
it. Now maybe you were too busy two years ago not to be involved it this
discussion. Star Metro is not going to rethink the Braille signage because
it’s a done deal.

As for short people, how does that Randy Newman song go? Maybe one could
stand on top of their guide dog or shimmy up there white cane.

The buddy seats at the bus stops was a clever idea to provide seating where
there is none. Most times there is no area for a bus shelter and the buddy
seat saves quite a bit of money.   As for reaching out and touching someone
when reaching for the Braille signage; I guess you will need to bring your
manners with you and pardon yourself then kindly ask for bus stop info.

Me thinks some of us on this list post for the sake of argument.

-----Original Message----- From: Matt Presnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:56 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Well, it does if you are short. Because most average men is 5 feet 10 inches
to 6 feet. So if you are short then yes you might not even be able to reach
the sign. Sounds like to me they need to completely rethink the sign thing.

Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of blindwilly
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:19 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


Any sign has to be high enough as so people do not bump it with there heads.

This makes the sign too high to read for most people.

William



----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Presnell" <matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:58 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


I not a brail reader myself but I tend to agree with Chip on this it would
have made since to have the brail on the sign when you came up to the sign
you touch the top of the sign and read left to right rather than have to
turn sideways and then read left to right. No sighted person reads like
that
. they read from the top to the bottom not from the side bottom to the
side
top. Yes it would have made since to have it oriented   in the correct
position! They did not have to turn the sign but the writing of the brail.
If not the writing of the brail then the signed itself. JST


Matt
Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Adam Gaffney
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:35 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

Hi, I've never seen Braille oriented  at all vertically and if I saw this
and didn't know ahead of time I might not even recognize it as Braille.
Just my thoughts on this.  Besides, it's not like we are reading a novel
like that.
--
"The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not be
made
to understand it."

-        Confucius ca. 480 B.C.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops


Hi Lynn,

The sinage being parallel to the pole is obvious, and was not what I
objected to.

A sighted person however would have rotated each individual letter 90
degrees, and I feel the braille should have been done the same, so that a
person would need need to rotate their entire hand/arm/wrist in order to
read each letter.

Chip


-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Lynn Evans
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:08 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

When this process began Star Metro ran it through the alphabet soup of A
B

C
and N F B along with the Lighthouse of the Big Bend. Star Metro  had
several
examples of what the signage would eventually look like for anyone
interested to examine.

The signage has to be parallel with the pole.  If the signage was at
right
angle people would walk into the braille sign causing damage  to the sign
or
themselves.

News 27 this evening reported the signage will be distributed first to
the
transfer points then then throughout the rest of the system.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:39 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

It's good there will be braille signs.

Unfortunately, someone made the decision to rotate the entire line of
characters 90 degrees so that it runs "down" the pole, making it very
difficult to read (especially so for anyone with the slightest of
mobility
impairments, as you must rotate your wrist/arm 90 degrees).  In my
opinion
it would have been much better to rotate each letter 90 degrees (as is
commonly done with printed signs) and stack the letters one beneath the
other.

If you want to see the difficulty I'm speaking of, just take a braille
book
or page and hold it up to a wall 4 or 5 feet off of the ground, and
rotated
90 degrees so that you read the braille from top to bottom.
Then try and read a line with one hand and you'll see the unnatural
position/motion required to read it.

Chip

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Easy Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:25 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops

There is an article about the signs on wctv, there web site is wctv.tv

Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Evans" <austin.evans60@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:22 PM
Subject: [tabi] braille signage at all star stops


braille sign signage star  metro has started placing braille signage
at
all bus stopss starting today.

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