Well we all do go on. The bus has already left the stop and you weren't on it. Now maybe you were too busy two years ago not to be involved it this discussion. Star Metro is not going to rethink the Braille signage because it’s a done deal.
As for short people, how does that Randy Newman song go? Maybe one could stand on top of their guide dog or shimmy up there white cane.
The buddy seats at the bus stops was a clever idea to provide seating where there is none. Most times there is no area for a bus shelter and the buddy seat saves quite a bit of money. As for reaching out and touching someone when reaching for the Braille signage; I guess you will need to bring your manners with you and pardon yourself then kindly ask for bus stop info.
Me thinks some of us on this list post for the sake of argument.-----Original Message----- From: Matt Presnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:56 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops Well, it does if you are short. Because most average men is 5 feet 10 inches to 6 feet. So if you are short then yes you might not even be able to reach the sign. Sounds like to me they need to completely rethink the sign thing. Matt Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of blindwilly Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:19 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops Any sign has to be high enough as so people do not bump it with there heads. This makes the sign too high to read for most people. William----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Presnell" <matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops
I not a brail reader myself but I tend to agree with Chip on this it would have made since to have the brail on the sign when you came up to the sign you touch the top of the sign and read left to right rather than have to turn sideways and then read left to right. No sighted person reads like that . they read from the top to the bottom not from the side bottom to the side top. Yes it would have made since to have it oriented in the correct position! They did not have to turn the sign but the writing of the brail. If not the writing of the brail then the signed itself. JST Matt Matt.from.florida@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam Gaffney Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:35 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops Hi, I've never seen Braille oriented at all vertically and if I saw this and didn't know ahead of time I might not even recognize it as Braille. Just my thoughts on this. Besides, it's not like we are reading a novel like that. -- "The people may be made to follow a path of action, but they may not be made to understand it." - Confucius ca. 480 B.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stopsHi Lynn, The sinage being parallel to the pole is obvious, and was not what I objected to. A sighted person however would have rotated each individual letter 90 degrees, and I feel the braille should have been done the same, so that a person would need need to rotate their entire hand/arm/wrist in order to read each letter. Chip -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lynn Evans Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:08 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops When this process began Star Metro ran it through the alphabet soup of A BC and N F B along with the Lighthouse of the Big Bend. Star Metro had several examples of what the signage would eventually look like for anyone interested to examine. The signage has to be parallel with the pole. If the signage was at right angle people would walk into the braille sign causing damage to the sign or themselves. News 27 this evening reported the signage will be distributed first to the transfer points then then throughout the rest of the system. -----Original Message----- From: Chip Orange Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:39 AM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops It's good there will be braille signs. Unfortunately, someone made the decision to rotate the entire line of characters 90 degrees so that it runs "down" the pole, making it very difficult to read (especially so for anyone with the slightest of mobility impairments, as you must rotate your wrist/arm 90 degrees). In my opinion it would have been much better to rotate each letter 90 degrees (as is commonly done with printed signs) and stack the letters one beneath the other. If you want to see the difficulty I'm speaking of, just take a braille book or page and hold it up to a wall 4 or 5 feet off of the ground, and rotated 90 degrees so that you read the braille from top to bottom. Then try and read a line with one hand and you'll see the unnatural position/motion required to read it. Chip -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Easy Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:25 AM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: braille signage at all star stops There is an article about the signs on wctv, there web site is wctv.tv Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Evans" <austin.evans60@xxxxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [tabi] braille signage at all star stopsbraille sign signage star metro has started placing braille signageatall bus stopss starting today. 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