[tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea
- From: daniel ben moshe <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:43:43 -0500
look guys, if these peop;le want to pull the wool over your eyes, they are
going to do it. you see this is what i'm talking about. we cry law suit every
time. people have stopped listening, because we have cryed wolf so many times.
discrimination has become harder to prove, and the agencies who are suposed to
protect our rights have stopped doi ng so. my word of cossen, isthat blind
people need to stop thinking in this ninteen sixties mindset that has long been
done away with. these people are smaryter then that.
that is why i am asking blind people to wake up and see what is really goi ng
on around them. because we can make a change if we relize our situation right
now. if we don't then we only move ferther in the muck. On Sun, 31 Jan 2010
20:11:25 -0500, Joe Plummer wrote:
>They will when you report them to the ethics board and the division of
>elections.
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>Sign,
>JP ( Joe Plummer)
>joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>Of daniel ben moshe
>Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:58 PM
>To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea
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>aginst the law? And discrimination? Look people, these people don't care
>about what's aginst the law, and discriminating aginst us as a whole.
>Because they k now what we havn't found out yet. And that is that we can't,
>or are not willing to come together. We will soon have to find out how to
>deal with life ourselves, because we will not have the law to turn to. On
>Sun, 31 Jan 2010
>00:21:45 -0500, Joe Plummer wrote:
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>>They can't do that. That is against the law and on top of that it is
>>discrimination..
>>
>>
>>
>>Sign,
>>JP ( Joe Plummer)
>>joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>Behalf Of daniel ben moshe
>>Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:27 PM
>>To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea
>>
>>yes Chip while writting emails to the city leaders is cool, everybody
>>who rides the busses, or any type of transpertation really needs to be
>>at the next meeting. Be sure though that everybody attending is a
>>regestered voter.
>>Because if you are not, you are wasting your time. On Fri, 29 Jan 2010
>>20:29:40 -0500, Allison and Chip Orange wrote:
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>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I'd also like to point out that writing your concerns to the city
>>>commissioners is *very* important. yes, they do see bodies, but they
>>>often read emails, and all of them become public record.
>>>
>>>It may just give them pause if enough people write, warning of safety
>>>concerns, and the commissioners knowing that each concern is now a
>>>public record. If they ignore the concerns, well, then someone can
>>>come back to them later and point out how they were warned ahead of
>>>time (should there be any injuries or deaths that is, and they chose
>>>to
>>ignore the information).
>>>
>>>I certainly think it's very important for blind people to try and
>>>explain to the commissioners that a "chirper" doesn't automatically
>>>guarantee a safe crossing through a large, busy, intersection. that
>>>in fact, it's not always easy to hear and interpret the chirping
>>>properly, nor is it easy to walk fast enough to cross intersections
>>>which have islands and medians and such like obstacles. I think we
>>>should also remind them of the constant danger from right turns on
>>>red, that no
>>"chirper" is going to change in the least.
>>>
>>>So please, if you feel that people's safety is being put ahead of a
>>>few individuals self interest (those who want to say they helped
>>>implement a change), if you feel you've been let down by those who are
>>>supposed to look out for your interests, then write to the city
>commissioners.
>>>The email addresses are on talgov.com or the TABI web site.
>>>
>>>Chip
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>Behalf Of Easy Talk
>>>Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:59 AM
>>>To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea
>>>
>>>Well, I guess it was Kevin's vote since he was on the board and he had
>>>the right to vote. Now it is our right to fill city hall at the
>>>commission hearings and I mean fill it. We Need to get all our
>>>friends to
>>go also.
>>>There has been a lot said on the subject but we have one trump card
>>>left and that is showing up at city hall. I know from experience city
>>>commissioners take serious note when voters show up at there meetings.
>>>
>>>Now for the disturbing news. It certainly suppresses me that the vote
>>>by the TAC was unanimous, apparently they didn't take our concerns
>>>very seriously and that fact is going to make it harder to defeat the
>>>change. I am disappointed that a citizen advisory committee didn't
>>>listen to who they are representing. I am pretty sure this was a done
>>>deal before it ever got started.
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
>>>To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 3:12 AM
>>>Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, don't hate you but disappointed yes. You knew the concerns of the
>>>>minority which is in this case is the (Blind community) and you did
>>>>not stand up and represent us by voting NO! You know there is a
>>>>saying, Don't forget the little man! We don't ask for much just a
>>>>bone with some meat left on it every once in awhile! Some times you
>>>>do what is right not what every one else wants you to do. The Right
>>>>thing to do this case was to vote NO!
>>>>Again don't hate you but very disappointed in you. Yes by the way I
>>>>say if we can get just Saturday this is a start. But by know means
>>>>the end. Just more of my thoughts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sign,
>>>>JP ( Joe Plummer)
>>>>joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>Behalf Of daviska9
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:18 PM
>>>>To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea
>>>>
>>>>I'm sorry for being so touchy. Too many things in my life have made
>>>>me a bit too sensitive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Look, you all should know that the measure passed the TAC unanimously.
>>>>I know that some of you were hoping I would vote no, and those people
>>>>probably hate me and will never talk to me again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>As those present at the meeting can tell you, I have been asking
>>>>tough questions. Well, believe it or not, I got some good responses.
>>>>StarMetro went out and got the city engineers involved, and tonight
>>>>we, the TAC, were told that the majority of the safety features would
>>>>be brought on line before the NOVA 2010 plan comes on line. Even to
>>>>the extent that 15 to 18 of the audible signals will be set up.
>>>>Also, I brought up putting "NO RIGHT ON RED" designations at all of
>>>>the transfer points. No solid answer there, but they did say they
>>>>would look into what they could do. I can say this much for the NOVA
>>>>2010 process, that a year ago I don't think the city engineers would
>>>>have been as open to working with mass transit as they are today.
>>>>This process has got more people working together than ever before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Finally, I am very concerned that if we do not start making some
>>>>changes, even the unpopular ones, towards decentralizing the bus
>>>>system, that we will be left with a bus system in a few years that
>>>>serves the students and not much else. What I don't want to do, is
>>>>stop here. Mr. Garrison said to me, after being asked, that this is
>>>>not an end to the changes, but a beginning.
>>>>Your comments that Bruce Weaver and I took to the TAC and StarMetro,
>>>>fueled the process of getting the city engineers involved. Now, keep
>>>>the pressure on to continue to improve safety at all intersections.
>>>>Maybe we can beat the Dangerous by design label Tallahassee has been
>>>>stamped with, but we have a long way to go. Do not give up on me, I
>>>>am trying the best I know, to not give up on you.
>>>>
>>>>Kevin Davis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By the way, I found out that the implementation may be delayed yet
>>>>even longer than December of this year by as much as three to eight
>>months.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>>
>>>>From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>Behalf Of Sila Miller
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:13 PM
>>>>To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry if we were vicious, Kevin. Lets not stop thinking outside the
>>>>box. I just don't want us to be limited.
>>>>
>>>>Say hello to Laurie and the kids.
>>>>
>>>>Sila
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>From: daviska9 <mailto:daviska9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:44 AM
>>>>
>>>>Subject: [tabi] Saturday Mall idea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So much for me trying to think out of the box. Sorry to have
>>>>troubled you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Check out the TABI resource web page at
>>>>http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
>>>>and please make suggestions for new material.
>>>>
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