[tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

  • From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:01:31 -0400

Hi, well one hand you are probley right about it being done more often. This
is because of the economy. Business is trying to do what ever they have to
stay open and turn some kind of profit. Especially the Motel and Hotel and
restaurants. This is because no one is going out an traveling and eating out
they don't have the money. So I don't think it is a step back for us. I
think it just puts us online with our counter part seeing people. If they
had a dog they would get charged extra and a lot extra, even if they  were
aloud to even have it in the room. Then he would have to be in a crate or
pen of some sort. So I think we are really given the benefit of our
disability. Just more of my thoughts.
 


Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
 
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Daniel Ben Moshe
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 4:43 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

Oh nono, what I meant was I have never seen, until lately service animals
being charged extra. Only in the last couple of years has this become
prevalent. Before it was understood, that the service animal was not
charged. Now this has become the new norm. To me, and I could be wrong about
this.  This shows the backward steps that the blind service animal user is
undergoing.  As a mater of fact blind people in general are seeing a
backward step. As the Nation sweeps aside laws that were designed to protect
us as a community. Little by little our rights as people are being
undermined, and one day we will all wake up to find that all of our rights
as people are now gone. Many of the agencies that also were created for our
protection are not even doing that now.  So we had better wake up, and see
the signs, and understand that we are living in a very different, and
intolerant world today.    


I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,

Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org Choose ye
this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then serve him, with all
of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.  Then serve him.  As for me,
and my house.  We choose, to serve Yahweh! 
 
The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a small
child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.  He said that
Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, because they had
a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 participants, and he only
had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to drag their god up the
mountain side on an ox cart.  the man of Yahweh, also said, that his Elohim
would be there when he arrived.  He said mockingly, you go on ahead.  Heck,
I will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take a nap, and when
you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your best
shot. 
Bishop Joe O Patterson
A blessed memory 
1963-1989   
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joe Plummer
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 4:17 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

I don't think they are trying to get away with anything. This is just good
business practice to me. It cost to clean up after a dog or anything. What
is this we are blind and should get special things done for us. That is not
right. Yes, I believe that you need some help and we do get it. But come on
people we are not privilege. This coming from a service dog owner. Use
common since. More of my thoughts.


Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Daniel Ben Moshe
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:56 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

I have never had a problem in hotell stays, things are changing, and where
ever you are can determen how much they try to get away with. As you said if
they are taking a depossit, then they should return it, but I have never had
them ask for a depossit.    


I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,

Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org Choose ye
this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then serve him, with all
of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.  Then serve him.  As for me,
and my house.  We choose, to serve Yahweh! 
 
The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a small
child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.  He said that
Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, because they had
a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 participants, and he only
had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to drag their god up the
mountain side on an ox cart.  the man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim
would be there when he arrived.  He said mockingly,you go on ahead.  Heck, I
will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take a nap, and when
you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your best
shot. 
Bishop Joe O Patterson
A blessed memory 
1963-1989   
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joe Plummer
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:02 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

Well, there is nothing in the ADA or the law saying you can or cannot. Now
most places has their own policeys weather in writing or just verbal. They
can say extra for the dog not as like a extra person. But maybe as extra
cleaning, or even a damage deposit. Now as a deposit you should get your
money back if the dog has not done any damage. Now I have not ran in to this
but do not do a lot of staying in rooms. But if I had this kind of business
I would more than likely consider Extra for the dog for the extra cleaning
and more than likely a deposit on top for damage if any happen to happen .
But this my thoughts. Not everyone takes care of their service dog like they
should and all are not the best mannered. 

Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Lighthouse of the Big Bend
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:35 PM
To: tabi
Cc: fcb-l
Subject: [tabi] Question & answer about motel and service dogs

Thought some folks might find this interesting... although many may already
know it : )

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

A friend of mine who does training at Hilton Hotels tells me that it is
illegal to charge extra for a service dog staying in a hotel?  I have been
charged extra for my dog as we travel at motels by about 15 dollars a room
for the dog.  There is no problem with getting her in the room - but my
friend said that they can only charge if the dog does something in the room
then that is fine.  Their policy for pets staying in the room is $15 a night
extra.  This was new to me and I told her I could not recall reading
anything about this under title II.

Could you clarify this for me?
Thanks
.....

Answer:
Hotels are covered by title III, not title II. (Places of public
accommodation - title III vs. programs and services of state or local
governments (title II).

The issue you raise concerns an unlawful surcharge.

See http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm , question 7:

7. Q: Can I charge a maintenance or cleaning fee for customers who bring
service animals into my business?

A: No. Neither a deposit nor a surcharge may be imposed on an individual
with a disability as a condition to allowing a service animal to accompany
the individual with a disability, even if deposits are routinely required
for pets. However, a public accommodation may charge its customers with
disabilities if a service animal causes damage so long as it is the regular
practice of the entity to charge non-disabled customers for the same types
of damages. For example, a hotel can charge a guest with a disability for
the cost of repairing or cleaning furniture damaged by a service animal if
it is the hotel's policy to charge when non-disabled guests cause such
damage.


Marc Dubin, Esq.
Director of Advocacy
Center for Independent Living of South Florida www.ADAadvocacyBlog.org
mdubin@xxxxxxxxx 305-896-3000 mobile
fax: 877-731-3030
www.cavnet.org
EIN: 52-2117529
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