[tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

  • From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:49:16 -0400

See my previous post, and response to Easy talk sent me. The law is the law
and it covers all places that is public. With some exemptions.
 


Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
 
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Daniel Ben Moshe
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:23 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

I think the law governs even small independent places as well.  I think any
place that serves the general public, I'm not totally sure on the smaller
places, it's something to look up though.  


I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,

Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org Choose ye
this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then serve him, with all
of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.  Then serve him.  As for me,
and my house.  We choose, to serve Yahweh! 
 
The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a small
child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.  He said that
Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, because they had
a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 participants, and he only
had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to drag their god up the
mountain side on an ox cart.  the man of Yahweh, also said, that his Elohim
would be there when he arrived.  He said mockingly, you go on ahead.  Heck,
I will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take a nap, and when
you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your best
shot. 
Bishop Joe O Patterson
A blessed memory 
1963-1989   
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joe Plummer
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:46 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

Well, I don't think so far the large chain out fits. Now if you are staying
at a small independent place this might be the case. If you don't want to
pay the deposit my recommendation is find another place to stay. More of my
thoughts.
 


Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
 
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Daniel Ben Moshe
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:02 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

That is true, but they are not saying that, they are just taking it and not
giving an account as to what they are doing. A sighted person they give an
accounting to every time for charges.  However they feel that they don't oah
us any explanation what so ever. If they are taking an deposit then they
need to say so, and return it if there is no problem. The thing is that they
will find something to justify them keeping all, or most of the money.
Remember this society is sick, and how ever, and by who ever.      


I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,

Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org Choose ye
this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then serve him, with all
of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.  Then serve him.  As for me,
and my house.  We choose, to serve Yahweh! 
 
The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a small
child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.  He said that
Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, because they had
a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 participants, and he only
had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to drag their god up the
mountain side on an ox cart.  the man of Yahweh, also said, that his Elohim
would be there when he arrived.  He said mockingly, you go on ahead.  Heck,
I will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take a nap, and when
you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your best
shot. 
Bishop Joe O Patterson
A blessed memory 
1963-1989   
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joe Plummer
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 11:57 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

Yes, it is good business practice. They're not charging for damages before
it happens they are getting a deposit. I my self do not think they are out
side the law. Anyone else would have to put up a deposit even if they were
aloud to have the animal inside the room at all. Just because we are blind
don't make us special. Now I do think we have certain rights as a handy cap
or disable person. But not paying a deposit for your dog or what ever animal
that could or could not cause damage is not one of them. If no damage is
done then you should get your money reimburse . If not this is what the
court of law is for. Just my thoughts.
 


Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
 
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Darla J. Rogers
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:21 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

Um, Joe; my dogs have **never** CREATED A PROBLEM OF ANY KIND **INSIDE** A
HOTEL.  My current dog did have diarrhea in the parking lot which I would
have been happy to reimburse, as I told them about it, and guess what?  The
next day, it was still there.

If a public establishment tries to charge for damages, in advance, they are
breaking the law, and I, for one, will sue, if I must to recoup my losses.

Good business practices?  I don't think so, as it is breaking the laws, both
Federal and state.

Darla



Darla J. Rogers, B.A. Social Science; M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor
Education

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Home phone #:  850-329-7437
Cell #:  850-443-3571

Skype ID: wildflower0628
I suited up for the long walk back to myself...
....Ani DiFranco

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 4:16 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs


>I don't think they are trying to get away with anything. This is just 
>good  business practice to me. It cost to clean up after a dog or 
>anything. What  is this we are blind and should get special things done 
>for us. That is  not  right. Yes, I believe that you need some help and 
>we do get it. But come  on  people we are not privilege. This coming 
>from a service dog owner. Use  common since. More of my thoughts.
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Daniel Ben Moshe
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>
> I have never had a problem in hotell stays, things are changing, and 
> where ever you are can determen how much they try to get away with. As 
> you said if they are taking a depossit, then they should return it, 
> but I have never had them ask for a depossit.
>
>
> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
>
> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org 
> Choose ye this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then 
> serve him, with all of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.
> Then serve him.  As for me, and my house.  We choose, to serve Yahweh!
>
> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a 
> small child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.  He 
> said that Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, 
> because they had a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 
> participants, and he only had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that 
> they had to drag their god up the mountain side on an ox cart.  the 
> man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim would be there when he 
> arrived.  He said mockingly,you go on ahead.  Heck,

> I
> will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take a nap, and 
> when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take 
> your best shot.
> Bishop Joe O Patterson
> A blessed memory
> 1963-1989
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Joe Plummer
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>
> Well, there is nothing in the ADA or the law saying you can or cannot. 
> Now most places has their own policeys weather in writing or just 
> verbal. They can say extra for the dog not as like a extra person. But 
> maybe as extra cleaning, or even a damage deposit. Now as a deposit 
> you should get your money back if the dog has not done any damage. Now 
> I have not ran in to this but do not do a lot of staying in rooms. But 
> if I had this kind of business I would more than likely consider Extra 
> for the dog for the extra cleaning and more than likely a deposit on 
> top for damage if any happen to happen .
> But this my thoughts. Not everyone takes care of their service dog 
> like they should and all are not the best mannered.
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Lighthouse of the Big Bend
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:35 PM
> To: tabi
> Cc: fcb-l
> Subject: [tabi] Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>
> Thought some folks might find this interesting... although many may 
> already know it : )
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Subject: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>
> A friend of mine who does training at Hilton Hotels tells me that it 
> is illegal to charge extra for a service dog staying in a hotel?  I 
> have been charged extra for my dog as we travel at motels by about 15 
> dollars a room for the dog.  There is no problem with getting her in 
> the room - but my friend said that they can only charge if the dog 
> does something in the room then that is fine.  Their policy for pets 
> staying in the room is $15 a night extra.  This was new to me and I 
> told her I could not recall reading anything about this under title 
> II.
>
> Could you clarify this for me?
> Thanks
> .....
>
> Answer:
> Hotels are covered by title III, not title II. (Places of public 
> accommodation - title III vs. programs and services of state or local 
> governments (title II).
>
> The issue you raise concerns an unlawful surcharge.
>
> See http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm , question 7:
>
> 7. Q: Can I charge a maintenance or cleaning fee for customers who 
> bring service animals into my business?
>
> A: No. Neither a deposit nor a surcharge may be imposed on an 
> individual with a disability as a condition to allowing a service 
> animal to accompany the individual with a disability, even if deposits 
> are routinely required for pets. However, a public accommodation may 
> charge its customers with disabilities if a service animal causes 
> damage so long as it is the regular practice of the entity to charge 
> non-disabled customers for the same types of damages. For example, a 
> hotel can charge a guest with a disability for the cost of repairing 
> or cleaning furniture damaged by a service animal if it is the hotel's 
> policy to charge when non-disabled guests cause such damage.
>
>
> Marc Dubin, Esq.
> Director of Advocacy
> Center for Independent Living of South Florida www.ADAadvocacyBlog.org 
> mdubin@xxxxxxxxx 305-896-3000 mobile
> fax: 877-731-3030
> www.cavnet.org
> EIN: 52-2117529
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