[tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

  • From: "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:37:32 -0400

Hahahahah!!!  


I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,

Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County,
www.theblindcansee.org 
Choose ye this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then serve
him, with all of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.  Then serve
him.  As for me, and my house.  We choose, to serve Yahweh! 
 
The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a small
child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.  He said that
Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, because they had
a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 participants, and he only
had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to drag their god up the
mountain side on an ox cart.  the man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim
would be there when he arrived.  He said mockingly,you go on ahead.  Heck, I
will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take a nap, and when
you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your best
shot. 
Bishop Joe O Patterson 
A blessed memory 
1963-1989   
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Sila Miller
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:35 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs

Alright everyone, it's time to take a breather. To avoid this all, just get
a girl dog! <Smile> Seriously, most people who are responsible dog handlers
are pretty aware of what their dog is doing. You can hear, smell and feel. 
It's really not that much different than having a child. Some parents are
very aware and responsible while others, well ...We've come a long way and
it appears we've still got a ways to go. I am not a guide dog owner but
would advocate against being unlawfully charged a fee.
Be aware and take care.
Sila
----- Original Message -----
From: "Easy Talk" <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs


> It's apparent you have never had a guide dog and from the sound of it 
> you don't like dogs but I would think you have the ability to smell 
> piss and shit and hopefully you haven't lost all the feelings in your 
> hands.  Guide dog users should always be aware of what there dogs are 
> doing and know there bad habits.  With an attitude like yours I 
> certainly see why the Florida Legislature has the attitudes they have
about blind people.
>
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:18 AM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>
>
>> Let me ask you how you know how much hair was left behind, what did 
>> your male dog pee on , what he or she or what ever the animal kind or 
>> type of or whatever chewed on. You don't because you can't see. I 
>> don't think I taking a right away you don't have this to start with. 
>> Yes the right to have the animal and to have it with you . But not to 
>> put up a deposit no that is not aright. Use common since people. This 
>> would be like taking your dog or animal in a restaurant and going up 
>> to the buffet with him. I think this is not respecting other people 
>> and not having a animal with all that hair and his nose wondering 
>> about. Common since is not to do this. Ask the waitress to help you 
>> get your plate and take it back to the table. You all need to have 
>> respect for others. How are you going to get respect if you don't 
>> give it. I am a service dog owner also but I respect my fellow man 
>> and don't want to be treated special. I just want to be treated as 
>> normal as possible witch is hard to do given my handicap. This is 
>> just my thoughts and you are welcome for me doing this. Smile! LOL!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sign,
>> Joe Plummer ( JP )
>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of Darla J. Rogers
>> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:24 PM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>
>> Thanks for helping to take away our rights as service animal users, 
>> Joe; maybe you can afford to pay for supercilious charges; send me 
>> your address, so I can send the bill to you while I'm filing a 
>> lawsuit abridging my rights to stay in a public accommodation with my 
>> service animal and not be charged for "extra cleaning" which should 
>> not need to be done unless the dog has had an accident.
>>
>> Darla
>>
>>
>>
>> Darla J. Rogers, B.A. Social Science; M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor 
>> Education
>>
>> djrogers0628@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Home phone #:  850-329-7437
>> Cell #:  850-443-3571
>>
>> Skype ID: wildflower0628
>> I suited up for the long walk back to myself...
>> ....Ani DiFranco
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 4:10 PM
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>
>>
>>> Well, that might be the policy of that place. But different places 
>>> will have different policies. I dis agree I don't think he has a 
>>> case. They did not refuse him to let his dog stay They just charge a 
>>> service charge for the dog not because he was taking up a space but 
>>> for more than likely the extra cleanup and inconvenient they had. 
>>> This is my thoughts. Oh by the way I have a service dog also. I 
>>> myself would not think anything about the extra money if they told 
>>> me it will cost extra and the amount. Again my thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sign,
>>> JP ( Joe Plummer)
>>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>>> On Behalf Of Daniel Ben Moshe
>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:43 PM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>>
>>> I use to work at the Marriott, and the polocy was exactly that.  
>>> They can't charge you for your service animal, unless something 
>>> happens.  If they are doing this, you may have a case to make an 
>>> issue.  To me that is extortion, because this is tarting to happen 
>>> in even cabs. In the miami aria, and even in some eating 
>>> astablishments.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
>>>
>>> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
>>> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org 
>>> Choose ye this day whom you will serve.  If Yahweh be Elohim, then 
>>> serve him, with all of your hart.  However, if bail be your master.  
>>> Then serve him.  As for me, and my house.  We choose, to serve 
>>> Yahweh!
>>>
>>> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a 
>>> small child.  About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail.  He 
>>> said that Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, 
>>> because they had a much larger program.  He said that they had 450 
>>> participants, and he only had one.  Elijah, also reminded them, that 
>>> they had to drag their god up the mountain side on an ox cart.  the 
>>> man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim would be there when he 
>>> arrived.  He said mockingly,you go on ahead.
>>> Heck,
>>
>>> I
>>> will even let you call your god first.  I'M going to take a nap, and 
>>> when
>>> you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your 
>>> best
>>> shot.
>>> Bishop Joe O Patterson
>>> A blessed memory
>>> 1963-1989
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Lighthouse of the Big Bend
>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:35 PM
>>> To: tabi
>>> Cc: fcb-l
>>> Subject: [tabi] Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>>
>>> Thought some folks might find this interesting... although many may
>>> already
>>> know it : )
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Subject: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>>
>>> A friend of mine who does training at Hilton Hotels tells me that it is
>>> illegal to charge extra for a service dog staying in a hotel?  I have 
>>> been
>>> charged extra for my dog as we travel at motels by about 15 dollars a 
>>> room
>>> for the dog.  There is no problem with getting her in the room - but my
>>> friend said that they can only charge if the dog does something in the
>>> room
>>> then that is fine.  Their policy for pets staying in the room is $15 a
>>> night
>>> extra.  This was new to me and I told her I could not recall reading
>>> anything about this under title II.
>>>
>>> Could you clarify this for me?
>>> Thanks
>>> .....
>>>
>>> Answer:
>>> Hotels are covered by title III, not title II. (Places of public
>>> accommodation - title III vs. programs and services of state or local
>>> governments (title II).
>>>
>>> The issue you raise concerns an unlawful surcharge.
>>>
>>> See http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm , question 7:
>>>
>>> 7. Q: Can I charge a maintenance or cleaning fee for customers who bring
>>> service animals into my business?
>>>
>>> A: No. Neither a deposit nor a surcharge may be imposed on an individual
>>> with a disability as a condition to allowing a service animal to 
>>> accompany
>>> the individual with a disability, even if deposits are routinely 
>>> required
>>> for pets. However, a public accommodation may charge its customers with
>>> disabilities if a service animal causes damage so long as it is the
>>> regular
>>> practice of the entity to charge non-disabled customers for the same 
>>> types
>>> of damages. For example, a hotel can charge a guest with a disability 
>>> for
>>> the cost of repairing or cleaning furniture damaged by a service animal 
>>> if
>>> it is the hotel's policy to charge when non-disabled guests cause such
>>> damage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marc Dubin, Esq.
>>> Director of Advocacy
>>> Center for Independent Living of South Florida www.ADAadvocacyBlog.org
>>> mdubin@xxxxxxxxx 305-896-3000 mobile
>>> fax: 877-731-3030
>>> www.cavnet.org
>>> EIN: 52-2117529
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