[tabi] Re: Online Courses

  • From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:03:09 -0400

Which messages?  those from Governor?  or just this one?  

you said you can read other messages from TABI, so which ones can you not
read?

I don't have any real ideas, but that would help.  you could also google
this error, along with "outlook 2010" to see what you come up with, as I'd
guess it's something in your settings.

Chip
 

-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Bubba
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:06 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses

Hi, when I keep getting this chip It says something about a signature is not
valid and I cannot read the message at all. Using outlook 2010 and don't
have a problem with other messages from TABI. What is the deal?


Bubba
bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Governor Staten
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:04 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses

for those who can't learn it, we can help you. How will you know if you
don't receive proper instruction on it? It's like having the race rigged
against you before you even run out of the blocks. Speech recognition might
offer you hope too.

On 6/25/2011 7:29 PM, Charles Atkins wrote: 

        I love the computer and what it stands for, great tool!  The best.
Had it come as an organ in our bodies, we'd all get it!  Teachers can tell
some students a million times through an entire life time, and yet, many
many many still won't get it by default gentlemen and others!  They are not
stupid!  It is just not what they are cut out for!
         
        Technology is just you guys forte and thank God there are some of
you around, usually to tell the others what to do!  Technology is here, I'm
sure to stay, as it should, but, I pray, someday, the computer evolves and
become automatic (every single function).
         
         
        Thanks for listening!
         
         

                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: Allison and Chip Orange <mailto:acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>

                To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:03 PM
                Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses

                this is a very very good point Governor!
                 
                I've seen some assistive technology instructors simply
giving the student keystrokes to memorize, with no explanation as to which
ones were a screen reader command, and which (such as windows-M or even
tabbing between controls of a dialog) were windows commands, and so would
work for sighted people or with another screen reader.
                 
                Place such students in a slightly different environment (say
with another screen reader), and they have no idea what they can and can't
use.
                 
                Chip
                 

________________________________

                From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Governor Staten
                Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:47 PM
                To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
                
                
                There is a deeper problem here too. When you teach a person
how to use a screen reader and not the operating system, Windows for
example, you're headed for trouble. They rely on that screen reader to do
everything for them. Learn Windows first, and then, learn screen reader
commands on top of that. What makes something accessible? It could be that
you might not know what you need to know to use the site, or it could truly
be inaccessible. Which scenario are we talking about here?
                
                On 6/25/2011 12:44 PM, Charles Atkins wrote: 

                        I know Hadley is cool; I had classes with them
before!
                         
                        I'm more worried that, more than should have to,
students that are visually impaired are not, independently, sailing and are
needing outside assistance far too often and instructors are being permitted
to feel comfortable with having them do it.
                         
                         
                         
                         

                                ----- Original Message ----- 
                                From: Lynn Evans
<mailto:evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>  
                                To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                                Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 12:33 PM
                                Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses

                                It is hard to say Charles 
                                The classes over the internet would be 100%
accessible.  
                                The Excel class They mailed me the workbook
and I used my CCTV and emailed them my test. I thought it was quite
accessible. 
                                The coarse on the Old Testament was on audio
tape and I emailed them the test. 
                                 
                                Hadley is the school for the blind so it has
to be accessible. 
                                 

                                        ----- Original Message ----- 
                                        From: Charles Atkins
<mailto:catkins@xxxxxxx>  
                                        To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                                        Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:38
AM
                                        Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses

                                        But how would you score Lynn?
                                         
                                        And:
                                         
                                        Thanks!
                                         
                                         

                                                ----- Original Message -----

                                                From: Lynn Evans
<mailto:evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>  
                                                To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                                                Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011
8:24 PM
                                                Subject: [tabi] Re: Online
Courses

                                                Let's not forget
                                                 
                                                The Hadley school has
computer classes and they are free. 
                                                 
                                                I beta tested an Excel
coarse a few years ago and learned a lot. 
                                                 
                                                coarse listings at:
        
http://www.hadley.edu/2_g_CourseCatalog.asp
                                                 

                                                        ----- Original
Message ----- 
                                                        From: Charles Atkins
<mailto:catkins@xxxxxxx>  
                                                        To:
tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                                                        Sent: Friday, June
24, 2011 4:21 PM
                                                        Subject: [tabi] Re:
Online Courses

                                                        To add:
                                                         
                                                        Some people can't
really get the "technical" theory together but, need the computer just as
much as the rest of the world does.  For them, a series of nice recordings
of skilled users of Jaws and other speech and audible program, succeeding
and sort of describing as they are going along so, would, I believe, be an
enormous help.
                                                         
                                                        A very thoughtful
world would realize that by default, many, won't be able to be adept at
using computers, just as, many, will!
                                                         
                                                        Everybody can
breathe and eat and such, but, everybody can't perform all skills with an
equal degree of proficiency.
                                                         
                                                        I've known many
people with all of their vision, and other faculties, but, couldn't even,
drive a car, nor, swim and more!
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         

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Original Message ----- 
                                                                From:
Tinetta Cooper <mailto:lilheart@xxxxxxxxxxx>  
                                                                To:
tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                                                                Sent:
Friday, June 24, 2011 12:25 PM
                                                                Subject:
[tabi] Re: Online Courses

                                                                I would
score accessibility as an 8.  Are you doing a survey?
                                                                 

        
----- Original Message ----- 
        
From: Charles Atkins <mailto:catkins@xxxxxxx>  
                                                                        To:
tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:47 AM
        
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses

                                                                        Are
you prepared to say, then:  From 1 to 10, fairly accessible scores a
                                                                         
        
What?
                                                                         
        
Thanks!
                                                                         
                                                                         

        
----- Original Message ----- 
        
From: Tinetta Cooper <mailto:lilheart@xxxxxxxxxxx>  
        
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:11 AM
        
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses

        
Charles, 
        
I have taken online courses at TCC, and will be taking another in the fall.
        
Once you learn to navigate the Blackboard web page, it is fairly accessible.
Blackboard is the main page for most colleges and universities.  Course work
may involve other applications, such as Excel, Word, Access, and PowerPoint.
While these programs are not as accessible, instructors are very helpful in
making materials easier to use.  I even had communication with a blind
professor at FSU who consulted with one of my professors.  This was
regarding an online course in macroeconomics.
        
I hope this information is helpful.
        

        
Tinetta

        
----- Original Message ----- 
        
From: Charles Atkins <mailto:catkins@xxxxxxx>  
        
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:13 PM
        
Subject: [tabi] Online Courses

        
Anyone taking online courses in our group?
        

        
Are you getting the job done independently?
        

        
Has any leaders of the blind made a list of schools and universities which
are accessible and, not accessible?
        

        
Is it a website?
        

        
Thanks!
        

        
Charles Atkins
        

        

        



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