[tabi] Re: Online Courses
- From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:01:11 -0400
I think I finally understand Charles' point: we should have an alternate way
of taking remote classes which doesn't require so much technical
sophistication.
I agree; how about simply having the audio from the classes piped into phone
line number (a conference call line) where students could call and listen?
live or to recordings?
I did that once at work with a company who knew their remote seminar
software wasn't accessible, so they made the audio of live classes available
on a conference call line.
I don't know what else to say: remote learning is really hard to do. maybe
you could get them to do the hadley approach where they mailed the students
all the needed materials.
But even for the technically sophisticates, if you're blind, I think there
will be many remote learning situations which won't work. Not until we get
all computer professionals on board with the technical points behind
accessibility, and all business people get the idea that the ADA applies to
everything public on the web (and it looks to me that the legal
interpretation is moving in that direction).
Chip
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Governor Staten
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:04 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
for those who can't learn it, we can help you. How will you know if you
don't receive proper instruction on it? It's like having the race rigged
against you before you even run out of the blocks. Speech recognition might
offer you hope too.
On 6/25/2011 7:29 PM, Charles Atkins wrote:
I love the computer and what it stands for, great tool! The best. Had it
come as an organ in our bodies, we'd all get it! Teachers can tell some
students a million times through an entire life time, and yet, many many
many still won't get it by default gentlemen and others! They are not
stupid! It is just not what they are cut out for!
Technology is just you guys forte and thank God there are some of you
around, usually to tell the others what to do! Technology is here, I'm sure
to stay, as it should, but, I pray, someday, the computer evolves and become
automatic (every single function).
Thanks for listening!
----- Original Message -----
From: Allison and Chip Orange <mailto:acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:03 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
this is a very very good point Governor!
I've seen some assistive technology instructors simply giving the student
keystrokes to memorize, with no explanation as to which ones were a screen
reader command, and which (such as windows-M or even tabbing between
controls of a dialog) were windows commands, and so would work for sighted
people or with another screen reader.
Place such students in a slightly different environment (say with another
screen reader), and they have no idea what they can and can't use.
Chip
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Governor Staten
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:47 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
There is a deeper problem here too. When you teach a person how to use a
screen reader and not the operating system, Windows for example, you're
headed for trouble. They rely on that screen reader to do everything for
them. Learn Windows first, and then, learn screen reader commands on top of
that. What makes something accessible? It could be that you might not know
what you need to know to use the site, or it could truly be inaccessible.
Which scenario are we talking about here?
On 6/25/2011 12:44 PM, Charles Atkins wrote:
I know Hadley is cool; I had classes with them before!
I'm more worried that, more than should have to, students that are visually
impaired are not, independently, sailing and are needing outside assistance
far too often and instructors are being permitted to feel comfortable with
having them do it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Evans <mailto:evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 12:33 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
It is hard to say Charles
The classes over the internet would be 100% accessible.
The Excel class They mailed me the workbook and I used my CCTV and emailed
them my test. I thought it was quite accessible.
The coarse on the Old Testament was on audio tape and I emailed them the
test.
Hadley is the school for the blind so it has to be accessible.
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Atkins <mailto:catkins@xxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
But how would you score Lynn?
And:
Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Evans <mailto:evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:24 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
Let's not forget
The Hadley school has computer classes and they are free.
I beta tested an Excel coarse a few years ago and learned a lot.
coarse listings at:
http://www.hadley.edu/2_g_CourseCatalog.asp
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Atkins <mailto:catkins@xxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 4:21 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
To add:
Some people can't really get the "technical" theory together but, need the
computer just as much as the rest of the world does. For them, a series of
nice recordings of skilled users of Jaws and other speech and audible
program, succeeding and sort of describing as they are going along so,
would, I believe, be an enormous help.
A very thoughtful world would realize that by default, many, won't be able
to be adept at using computers, just as, many, will!
Everybody can breathe and eat and such, but, everybody can't perform all
skills with an equal degree of proficiency.
I've known many people with all of their vision, and other faculties, but,
couldn't even, drive a car, nor, swim and more!
----- Original Message -----
From: Tinetta Cooper <mailto:lilheart@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
I would score accessibility as an 8. Are you doing a survey?
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Atkins <mailto:catkins@xxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
Are you prepared to say, then: From 1 to 10, fairly accessible scores a
What?
Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: Tinetta Cooper <mailto:lilheart@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Online Courses
Charles,
I have taken online courses at TCC, and will be taking another in the fall.
Once you learn to navigate the Blackboard web page, it is fairly accessible.
Blackboard is the main page for most colleges and universities. Course work
may involve other applications, such as Excel, Word, Access, and PowerPoint.
While these programs are not as accessible, instructors are very helpful in
making materials easier to use. I even had communication with a blind
professor at FSU who consulted with one of my professors. This was
regarding an online course in macroeconomics.
I hope this information is helpful.
Tinetta
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Atkins <mailto:catkins@xxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:13 PM
Subject: [tabi] Online Courses
Anyone taking online courses in our group?
Are you getting the job done independently?
Has any leaders of the blind made a list of schools and universities which
are accessible and, not accessible?
Is it a website?
Thanks!
Charles Atkins
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