[tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

  • From: Erica <ericamccaul@xxxxxxx>
  • To: "tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:41:06 -0400

From what I understand, this is the level of banter typical of that particular 
forum. While I am certainly NOT defending or condoning these insensitive 
comments or the attitude they convey... Well... Just consider the source: 
people choosing to spend hours glued to their computers or devices, trolling 
for prey of one form or other, rather than engaging in any type of activity 
that might improve society, themselves... Or, heaven forbid... Both!

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On Aug 5, 2013, at 10:24 PM, "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx> 

I am very disturbed by this.  The thing that most upsets me is the joking way 
that many of our sighted brethren acted on the WCTV site about the incident.  
They acted is if the whole thing were a big joke.  I tell you I wish I were 
back in Tally, because I would be right there with you on the streets  
This is now not a Tallahassee problem, this is a human problem I think we need 
to make that move to make the white Cain law a priority to educate the 
communities concerning this.  This should not be, and is totally unacceptable.  

From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Governor Staten
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 7:28 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

We need to do something like this in South Fl.

On 8/5/2013 7:10 PM, Easy Talk wrote:
> Hi Lynn,
> I am all for that and I think one in front of the police department would go 
> a long way..  I have had a lot of calls with support and think we could get a 
> pretty good crowd. A lot of my sighted friends are pretty angry and want to 
> do what ever it takes to get people and law enforcement aware of   the 
> problem. We can do something now and again on white cane day and that doesn't 
> mean sitting and walking around Lake ella.
> Robert
> the problem.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynn Evans
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:53 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
> Hello all:
> Using the word “retargeted” in this day and time is like using the “N word” 
> Both are highly offensive to specific groups of people. So in expressing your 
> outrage at Roberts situation please choose your words wisely. The people 
> making disparaging comments are a far cry from bing intellectually 
> challenged.  They are quite aware of what they are writing and their goal is 
> to provoke a response and not to move the dialog along in any positive way. 
> The White Cane Law is what it is. The blind community needs to promote the 
> awareness of the law. Unfortunately the only time the law is brought to the 
> public’s attention is the White Cane Day in October and whenever a blind 
> person gets knocked down or run over by a vehicle.  
> Anyone care to picket the intersection at Village Square for an hour or more. 
> I don’t care to do it all by myself. If you let me know the date and time I 
> can meet you there. After all there is safety in numbers. 
> From: Governor Staten
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:02 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
> These guys are obviously retarded in some fundamental way. They must think 
> that the disabled are somehow not human, or without intellect. Incredible!!
> On 8/5/2013 11:40 AM, Easy Talk wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Easy Talk
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 11:31 AM
>> Subject: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Easy Talk
>> To: fcb-l@xxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 7:28 AM
>> Subject: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
>> Thought I would post the comments to save you all the trouble of finding 
>> them your self since the site isn't all that friendly.
>> PandCreturns
>> Just another agenda just like the bicyclisyts who want to own the roadways. 
>> Why is
>> it that when just one person has a problem or an issue, the whole world has 
>> to change
>> their ways to accommodate them? The white cane law is stupid and dangerous. 
>> Traffic
>> flowing smoothly suddenly having to stop at a green light because someone 
>> raises
>> a white cane and just walks in to the road is ridiculous!
>> Blink Blogger
>> I'm Robert's sister, and it's pretty disheartening to see
>> the ignorance and lack of understanding displayed in so many comments of
>> presumably perfectly sighted individuals! Being blind myself and using a 
>> white
>> cane instead of a guide dog, I've also had two potentially life threatening
>> experiences when crossing at the intersection of Crawfordville Highway and
>> Capital Circle because of drivers who didn't even slow down when making a 
>> right
>> turn on red, much less come to a full stop or "yield the right-of-way"
>> (including a dump truck). So I wonder just how many of us will have to be
>> seriously injured or even killed before SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING about the
>> obvious danger for visually impaired pedestrians!
>> Despite being forced to accept a certain level of dependence
>> as the result of our blindness, it seems that doing our utmost to maintain as
>> much independence as possible when it comes to simply going to the grocery
>> store and performing other necessary
>> daily activities would be an admirable trait, rather than a matter of such
>> ridicule or idiotic commentary. Instead, why doesn't a blind man being nearly
>> killed through no fault of his own and because (as the driver himself told 
>> the
>> police officer) a driver didn't see him (even though he was crossing the 
>> street
>> in plain view) get the attention of those who have the ability to make 
>> changes
>> that could literally save someone else from a worse outcome than what 
>> happened
>> to my brother yesterday? And since both
>> Robert and my sister-in-law have previously been hit by cars at the same 
>> intersection,
>> it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the odds of their 
>> continued
>> safe crossing there are not good.
>> So I'll conclude with a few constructive suggestions for our
>> state and/or local law makers to consider. First, is the convenience of 
>> drivers
>> being able to make a right turn on red worth more than the potential loss of
>> life or serious bodily harm it poses to all pedestrians, and even more
>> particularly to those who are blind, elderly and otherwise disabled? I don't
>> think so. And if even our police officers aren't aware of the White Cane Law,
>> along with every driver the reporter asked about it yesterday, we 
>> desperately need
>> some kind of public service announcements to better inform the public and 
>> alert
>> them to the need to be on the lookout for blind and otherwise disabled 
>> pedestrians.
>> Additionally, since NONE of the drivers questioned yesterday (including
>> multiple police personnel) were even aware that Florida law requires them to
>> come to a full stop AND TO YIELD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY whenever a blind 
>> pedestrian utilizing
>> a guide dog or white cane is crossing the street (even though that's clearly
>> stated in the current Florida Driver Handbook in Sections 5.16.3 and 5.16.4),
>> the White Cane Law is obviously given woefully insufficient attention when 
>> drivers
>> take the required test to obtain a Florida driver's license. And since my
>> brother literally had to fight for the truck driver to be given a ticket,
>> perhaps much more serious penalties and fines should be imposed and mandatory
>> whenever any driver fails to yield the right-of-way to pedestrians as 
>> required
>> by the White Cane Law. Finally, since the
>> truck driver admitted that he never even saw my brother, I can't help
>> wondering if he was texting or reading a text message at the time of the
>> incident since I'm not aware of anything that would have obstructed his 
>> view. However,
>> I am personally aware of several serious auto accidents caused by a driver's 
>> texting,
>> so perhaps it's time to require that the cell phone records of all drivers
>> involved in accidents be examined to determine if they were texting and to
>> impose very heavy mandatory fines and penalties if that's the case. After 
>> all, NOTHING
>> ever sent or received in a text message is worth the potential serious bodily
>> harm or death of another person just because a driver isn't paying proper
>> attention while driving!
>> Steve Montgomery
>> As you can see from the post history below that there are most people that 
>> support
>> what you're saying, and feel bad for what nearly happened to your brother. 
>> They support
>> your view and what you're trying to do. Two avenues for you to consider are 
>> the news
>> stations and the state. If it's important enough to you then you should 
>> pursue it.
>> More laws aren't the answer. Awareness and education can probably do a lot a 
>> more.
>> Most good people will respond favorably to that.
>> Sadly, there will always be those who hide behind keyboards and post their 
>> vitriol.
>> Don't let them deter or draw you into the back and forth. That's the only 
>> way they
>> win. They'll never admit to you that their life essentially sucks. You can 
>> safely
>> assume they have self-esteem issues. They're nothing more than internet 
>> cowards.
>> It's why you see them hide their names and post the things they do.
>> The Idiot
>> Hold on a minute, how did this guy know it was a truck, how did he even know 
>> he was
>> almost ran over if he's blind. Im calling BS on this, do we have video from 
>> the traffic
>> cams or something. Now all of a sudden this guy can tell what kind of 
>> vehicle almost
>> hit him. BS
>> Mrs Moore
>> He could probably hear it.
>> xzx
>> Are you deaf?
>> The Idiot
>> Little hard of hearing from working around heavy machinery, but not enough 
>> to claim
>> a disability or get one of those cool talk to text phones. I just see this 
>> as more
>> of an agenda piece than an actual story, but to add that the blind guy said 
>> a truck
>> "almost" hit him, hmmmm, could have been a hoopty with a ragged muffler. I 
>> mean,
>> did the person passing him, the one that "almost" hit him scream out " I'm 
>> driving
>> a truck!"? Did someone tell him that he almost got ran over by a truck.
>> xzx
>> You need to get 'em checked -- I can tell between 4 and 18 wheels literally 
>> a half
>> mile distant -- and up close can discern 10, not to mention load condition...
>> No telling what a guy blind from birth can do.
>> The Idiot
>> Oh I agree with the semi part, I could hear the low rumble from a concrete 
>> truck
>> from 3 miles out, makes my back hurt just thinking about it, but the truck 
>> part,
>> just kinda fishy
>> budabbott
>> I know this guy. See him at least two or three times a week. He goes by the 
>> law and
>> never goes over half mile from the house just to get food. I saw a comment 
>> from a
>> guy named the idiot which he is and hope you go through the same thing you 
>> asshole.
>> The Idiot
>> Oh , guess who didn't see the post? The one that matters most, the seeing 
>> eye dog.
>> WTH, are you going to run oft and tell him I posted this?
>> The Idiot
>> Sheesh, I have a feeling you couldn't fit a toothpick up your bunghole with 
>> a sledge
>> hammer, oh , btw, i'm reporting you for calling me names, you hurt my 
>> feelings, my
>> mommas crazy and I'm not afraid to tell on you.
>> Anon
>> Seems like it would be common sense to stop if a blind person, or anyone for 
>> that
>> matter, is in the road! Why is a law needed?!
>> BeeMooreCareful
>> Quick question: this happened a while ago but I want to know the answer just 
>> in case
>> I see it again. Does anyone know who you report seeing eye dog abuse too? I 
>> was driving
>> down john Knox and this lady had a seeing eye dog. Well traffic was coming 
>> so the
>> dog didn't go in the street. The woman was yanking on the dog, cussing at it 
>> and
>> telling it to go. The dog was scared and had his tail between his legs. I 
>> think she
>> might have even hit the dog. How do you report someone for seeing eye dog 
>> abuse when
>> clearly they need the dog? Do you call the cops or the animal cops? And if 
>> they take
>> the dog away...won't she get another?
>> Mrs Moore
>> Awww that's terrible!! Maybe stop and ask her if she'd rather get ran 
>> over...idk
>> that's a tough one :(
>> PhineasPhreak
>> I'd have stopped and asked just what the hell she was doing.
>> BeeMooreCareful
>> Wish I would have but I was in shock I guess. The dog didn't want her to get 
>> hit
>> by a car
>> lowerright
>> I think you're supposed to report animal abuse to Animal Control.
>> BeeMooreCareful
>> Won't they give her another dog? What if she does the same thing again. 
>> There has
>> to be some sort of rules.
>> lowerright
>> I don't know. I honestly never even thought about this before! I always 
>> imagined
>> this loving relationship between person and dog. I never even imagined that 
>> blind
>> people were abusing their seeing-eye dogs. Actually the whole story made me 
>> hate
>> humanity even more than I already did!
>> The Idiot
>> Lets sneak up and swap dogs on her, give her one that chases cars, hahahaha
>> FredSmithIV
>> This comment almost makes up for the callous remarks you made above. This 
>> one made
>> me smile. The ones above are just kinda cold. If the story is a slight 
>> embellishment
>> of the truth, it doesn't really matter, especially if it makes at least one 
>> person
>> stop and think. I really do like you switching dogs idea, though! :)
>> BeeMooreCareful
>> Maybe you can give her a cat....tell her it's the new thing. Or a seeing eye 
>> lizard...
>> The Idiot
>> Seeing eye fish
>> BeeMooreCareful
>> Seeing eye tadpole?
>> The Idiot
>> seeing eye soap on a rope
>> The Idiot
>> give her a box with a furby in it and a rope to pull it
>> BeeMooreCareful
>> Or a dead possum....just as effective.
>> The Idiot
>> Some people need to be hit, if she was blind you could have done it and she 
>> wouldnt
>> be able to identify you :)
>> NotaNewbie
>> Terrible. But I have to admit I laughed :)
>> The Idiot
>> Humor is such a fleeting thing, not everyone gets my twisted tang, you must 
>> have
>> been abducted by aliens also, usually thats the only ones that get it.
>> BeeMooreCareful
>> Impossible Idiot. I have watched many documentaries and black people don't 
>> get abducted
>> by aliens, aliens don't even go to the hood. Last time an alien went to the 
>> hood,
>> ET got shot in a driveby and his spaceship got stolen. A few days later the 
>> spaceship
>> was spotted with rims on it..blasting the new Jay Z album
>> The Idiot
>> Next time watch where you're going blindy Mc blind guy. :)
>> Steve Montgomery
>> Change your nic to "a**hole". "The Idiot" doesn't serve you well enough.
>> The Idiot
>> hey relax Steve, not like blindy can read this, thanks for sticking up for 
>> him on
>> the forum, I just hope you dont trick this guy into thinking youre his 
>> girlfriend.
>> Steve Montgomery
>> How crappy your life must be that you need to behave this way on a news 
>> forum. Keyboard
>> commando = coward. Good for you. Moving on....
>> The Idiot
>> What? Guess you feel better picking on me hurting my feelings on the forum, 
>> I guess
>> none of your friends ever mess with you about any of your non perfect 
>> attributes,
>> I've got friends with no legs and missing digits and have no qualms asking 
>> for a
>> high 4 or making cheaper sock jokes, one pair last twice as long. Ok if this 
>> will
>> make you feel better, I'll apologize to your pal, ... .... .. .... .... .... 
>> .....
>> . . ... . Will you be my fren now?
>> NotaNewbie
>> What an awesome doggie!
>> thesheepwillalwaysfollow
>> Good puppy! Well trained and well worth the investment.
>> Can anyone tell the difference between a person walking his dog or a seeing 
>> eye dog
>> doing their job? I know about the white cane law, but to be able to tell the 
>> difference
>> between a seeing eye dog and a dog walking is nearly impossible.
>> Maybe if the guy had the cane, it would have been different.
>> Spanky
>> A person just walking his dog will usually just use a leash. Seeing eye dogs 
>> will
>> typically be on a U shaped harness.
>> PhineasPhreak
>> Atta boy Sherman! Good dog! Glad you're all OK.
>> As to the White Cane Law, I don't know how anyone can expect 30 tons of 
>> truck to
>> come to a halt in time to prevent tragedy. Kinda like really expecting a 
>> six-lane
>> intersection to become a four-way stop during a power-failure.
>> jcrawson
>> Not only do I know how, but I expect it too. How about people driving 
>> vehicles have
>> some situational awareness for walkers, joggers, canes, doggies, no power, 
>> bicyclists,
>> etc.? Secondly, don't drive at an excessive rate of speed, you're breaking 
>> the law
>> if you do (remember the speed limit is max authorized speed in perfect 
>> conditions).
>> Third, be in control of your vehicle (if you can't stop in time, you 
>> weren't). How
>> hard is that?
>> Steve Montgomery
>> It's not an unrealistic expectation. This pedestrian didn't just jump out 
>> into the
>> intersection expecting everyone to come to a quick stop. The solution is 
>> really very
>> simple: EVERYONE needs to slow down, pay attention, be responsible, and be 
>> courteous.
>> It really is not that hard.
>> Gretchen Washington
>> Walking around in ritchie rich repubic-an side of town you will hit, they 
>> all talk
>> on cell phone and there fancy cars.
>> FredSmithIV
>> Seriously... how sad and pathetic is your life? I suppose you have a point, 
>> in a
>> way, though. A person is probably more likely to get hit by a "fancy car" in 
>> that
>> area versus a hoopty on the South side. The distraction by being on a cell 
>> phone
>> is probably about equal, if not a bit more so on the South side with 
>> justifications
>> I won't go into. However, you neglected to mention the much higher 
>> likelihood of
>> one being gunned down in a drive-by on the South side and in the hoods...
>> Jason
>> Jealous much? How about "justification for education" these so called "rich" 
>> people
>> are not all republicans. They are all from different political backgrounds, 
>> race
>> and religions. They have educated themselves so they may get the high paying 
>> jobs
>> and afford the nice cars on the nice side of town.
>> jcrawson
>> The good news is they generally have money and a decent amount of car 
>> insurance so
>> you -- or your family -- are gonna get paid. Better than what I can say for 
>> the other
>> side of town.
>> GeniusOne
>> Aww you are just mad because they are functionally literate and you are not.
>> PhineasPhreak
>> Not likely she's aware of that. She's not aware of much, it appears. It's so 
>> bad,
>> it may be an act.
>> xzx
>> Just possibly an act. Remember tony? "Steeling jobs"?
>> Same same.

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