[tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together

  • From: "Sila Miller" <silam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:30:19 -0500

Hi Kevin,

First, thanks for your time commitment and service on the TAC on behalf of 
people who are blind in Tallahassee. Yes please, will you put the list together 
with Erica's help and present it? Of course, this doesn't mean the rest of us 
don't need to attend and support whatever stands and opinions we hold to the 
Commission's meeting. For your convenience and for the rest of our review, I 
have taken the liberty of reposting Erica's list below. (Thank you also Erica)

Everyone have a good day!
Sila


I have concluded from what I've seen on TABI that 2 camps
have emerged:

1) All transfer point intersections, other intersections used to get
to/from stops (for example, 7th and Monroe, needed to get to the Senior
Center), and stops themselves need to be as accessible as possible
BEFORE this plan is implemented. That means the money needs to be both
procured AND spent on sidewalks, crosswalks, signals & audible signals
BEFORE buses start rolling by. Routes should be reconfigured to
eliminate the need for crossing a) mall parking lots [Read: Go into the 
malls.], and b) busy streets where there is no traffic control [Read:
Go into Miccosukee Hills Apartments, since otherwise patrons traveling
toward downtown would be required to jaw walk Miccosukee Rd. where
there is no traffic light, endangering themselves and holding up traffic.] Not 
only would this make the playing field level for the disabled and elderly, but 
it would be a HUGE SELLING POINT to attract
the heretofore car-bound: "You will never have to stand in the mud or
risk falling in a ditch. Crossings will be clearly marked and signaled."

    There is a subset of this group who believe that one or both of these 
technologies should be requirements as well:
a) some sort of locating beacon for sign-only bus stops, and/or
b) a GPS-based system on-board the buses for announcing
stops/cross-streets.
2) All transfer points should be scaled-down versions of C.K.Steele
Plaza-- covered, off-road, requiring no street or parking lot crossings, and 
preferably manned. This would ensure ADA compliance, and would be an even 
greater selling point to the general public:
"Transferring buses is as comfortable as getting into your car in your
garage." Realizing that this option is far from cost-neutral, I think
the conclusion is that the switch should be postponed until revenue is
available for it.

BOTH camps are concerned about Nova's impact on Dial-a-Ride, both in terms of
1) Overburdening, due to an influx of previous bus riders who now feel they 
would be safer on Dial-a-Ride, and
2) underfunding, due to bus fare going down to $1 and pushing Dial-a-Ride fare 
down to $2. While everyone wants to save some change, no one who uses 
Dial-a-Ride wants to be without it.

  From: daviska9 
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:35 PM
  Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together


  This is Kevin Davis.  My wife, who many of you know is Laurie Davis.

   

      This was an attempt to take the various concerns and put them all in one 
place for the TAC to have during and after the Working group meets.  I know 
that not everyone thinks the same on this group.  I am one of them.  I am 
trying hard not to put in my own opinions in this listing.  I am basically for 
the new system despite the shortcomings.  Now, if there is no real objections, 
I will take Erica's corrections and clean this up and submit it to the TAC for 
considerations along with the rest of the information that others on the 
TAC(Transportation Advisory Committee) have been collecting form other interest 
groups, and it will be seriously reviewed.  If on the other hand, you feel it 
is just not enough, and you'd prefer to go to the commission on your own, 
individually, then by all means let me know and I won't bother.  I will 
endeavor to vote with what information is in front of us at the time.

   

      Let me know, and Y'all have a nice day.

  Kevin Davis

   

   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Allison and Chip Orange
  Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:05 PM
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together

   

  Sure William, you're right.  I thought however he was just going to list any

  concern that anyone may have mentioned.

   

  Kevin, was that the idea?

   

  Chip

   

   

  -----Original Message-----

  From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf

  Of blindwilly

  Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:02 PM

  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

  Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together

   

  David,

   

  Not everyone on this list thinks the same.   We have very differing

  openions.   

   

  William Benjamin

   

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: daviska9 <mailto:daviska9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  

        To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

        Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:38 PM

        Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together

   

   

        Is what I've written a sufficient representation of the views?   I

  want to make sure I am representing and characterizing this correctly.  Let

  me know, thanks.

   

        Kevin

   

         

   

         

   

        

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        From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

  On Behalf Of Chip Orange

        Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:01 PM

        To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

        Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together

   

         

   

        Yes, Kevin, I too would appreciate it if you would provide a summary

  at the public meetings, of the issues raised here.

   

         

   

         

   

        thank you.

   

         

   

        Chip

   

         

   

         

   

         

   

        

        

        

   

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        Chip Orange

        Database Administrator

        Florida Public Service Commission

        

        Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

        (850) 413-6314

        

         (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not

  necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)

   

         

   

               

   

              

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              From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

  [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of daviska9

              Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:57 PM

              To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

              Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together

   

              This is the first I've heard from anyone concerning my post.

  What I am offering to do, as a member of the City Commissions Transportation

  Advisory Committee, is to present a consolidated statement from this group

  to that board.  This will be added to the results of the working group

  planned for January, that will also include discussions on all of the topics

  listed.  I will not present this unless I have a green light from the

  members of this group.  I am not stating my views, but those of the

  TABI/Blind community.

   

               

   

                        Y'all let me know what you want to do.  I would

  recommend doing it soon so the statement can be read and added to other

  materials for the TAC to review.

   

               

   

               

   

              

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              From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

  [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darla J. Rogers

              Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:22 PM

              To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

              Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together

   

               

   

              Dear Kevin,

   

               

   

              That would probably be a good idea, but some may think

  something like you are stating, might be slanted.  I actually believe Star

  Metro understands the problems very well; it is the other city departments

  who need to get on the same page to get the APS's, sidewalks, better

  lighting, etc., and we should probably make our views known by addressing

  the city commissioners, Mayor Marks, city manager, etc.

   

               

   

              Darla

   

               

   

               

   

                    ----- Original Message ----- 

   

                    From: daviska9 <mailto:daviska9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  

   

                    To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

   

                    Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:09 PM

   

                    Subject: [tabi] Bringing all the issues together

   

                     

   

                    Good Afternoon All, 

   

                       I have been monitoring the discussions for and

  against NOVA 2010, first through Laurie, and now I have joined TABI.  I

  wonder if some of you would be willing to help me get all of the points,

  both pro and con, put together in one posting.  I will then forward that to

  the Transportation Advisory Committee(TAC), of which I am a part.  The TAC

  is very interested in the safety issues involved, and have been reviewing

  these even before NOVA 2010 was presented to us.

   

                       We are a part of the city commission, and not a

  part of StarMetro.  We are due to make a recommendation one way or the other

  to the commission after the first of the year, and I want to make sure all

  of the information that can be is put on the table. 

   

                    I may not be perfect, but I am trying to be neutral

  and represent the interests if the visually impaired on the TAC.  

   

                    You should know that the new system provides Laurie

  and I with some VERY positive benefits.  That interest is only one piece

  that I present to the TAC. If you are willing, a consolidated list of your

  views would be very helpful to me.  Let me know what you think.  

   

                    There is a little known "be attitude"  Blessed be

  the flexible, for they will bend and not break:-).  

   

                     

   

                    Hope to hear from you all soon

   

                    Kevin Davis

   

                      

   

   

  Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI

  and please make suggestions for new material.

   

   

   

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