[tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together

  • From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:28:05 -0500

Yes, I agree with his point that having blind people attempt to walk
across mall parking lots is also unsafe.  I will add that point to my
city commission letter (that actually I hope not to have to write).

Chip





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Chip Orange
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Florida Public Service Commission

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necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> ericamccaul@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 11:13 AM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together
> 
> from John Plescow: "You forgot the mantra of Safe and Accessible.
> This would include not having to navigate major intersections.  More
> specifically, a single pickup and drop off transfer point, that is a 
> covered
> facility, not just a pole on the side of the road, which would also 
> make it have
> to be ADA compliant.
> This would also include buses going into both malls."
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ericamccaul@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:49 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together
> 
> > Here is a starting list pursuant to Kevin's request:
> >
> > Nova 2010 Pros:
> > 1. More frequent buses.
> > 2. Lengthened hours of operation on Sundays. (This also mandates
> > lengthened hours of Dial-a-Ride service on Sundays.)
> > 3. Minimal difference between daytime and night/Sunday coverage.
> > 4. Some people get a considerably more direct route to their primary
> > destinations.
> >
> > Nova 2010 Cons*:
> > 1. Increased walking distances to/from points of origin/destination 
> and
> > bus stops.
> > 2. Many of these walking routes are along major roadways with 
> inadequate,
> > incomplete, or no sidewalks.
> > 3. Transferring buses may require crossing one or both multi-lane
> > thoroughfares at major intersection heretofore unaccustomed, due to 
> their
> > heavy traffic flow, to pedestrians.
> > 4. Tallahassee is NOT a pedestrian-friendly city. Drivers lack
> > consequences for law-breaking.
> > 5. Some people will have to transfer more than once to reach their
> > destination (or will have to transfer once, where before they had a 
> direct
> > route). Walking further and waiting on connections will offset the
> > time-saving benefit of higher bus frequencies.
> > 6. The goodwill alone of StarMetro, Public Works, TPD and/or other 
> City
> > entities in no way guarantees public safety.
> > Grants are wonderful... ONCE RECEIVED AND IMPLEMENTED, but 
> provide no
> > protection before then.
> >
> > * It should be noted that the Cons cannot be completely assessed by 
> many
> > riders or potential riders because the route descriptions 
> provided to 
> date
> > do not reference where bus routes cross. Therefore, riders may not 
> have an
> > understanding of how they would get from point A to point B, and 
> which
> > intersection crossings would be required.
> >
> > IN SUMMARY: Many on TABI who have voiced their opinions seem to be 
> open to
> > the concept of a grid-type system. However, a nearly universal,
> > overwhelming concern seems to be the desire of StarMetro to barrel 
> ahead
> > with this plan before travel routes to, from and between 
> buses are as 
> safe
> > as possible. If there's no money for sidewalks, audible signals and 
> the
> > like, then the project should be postponed. Nova 2010 should not be
> > implemented until the safety improvements are complete at all 
> transfer
> > points.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: daviska9 <daviska9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 1:09 pm
> > Subject: [tabi] Bringing all the issues together
> >
> > Good Afternoon All,
> >
> > I have been monitoring the
> > discussions for and against NOVA 2010, first through 
> Laurie, and now 
> I
> > have
> > joined TABI. I wonder if some of you would be willing to 
> help me get 
> all
> > of the points, both pro and con, put together in one 
> posting. I will 
> then
> > forward that to the Transportation Advisory Committee(TAC), 
> of which 
> I am
> > a
> > part. The TAC is very interested in the safety issues involved, and 
> have
> > been reviewing these even before NOVA 2010 was presented to us.
> >
> > We are a part of the city
> > commission, and not a part of StarMetro. We are due to make a
> > recommendation one way or the other to the commission after 
> the first 
> of
> > the
> > year, and I want to make sure all of the information that can be is 
> put on
> > the
> > table.
> >
> > I may not be perfect,
> > but I am trying to be neutral and represent the interests if the 
> visually
> > impaired on the TAC.
> > You should know
> > that the new system provides Laurie and I with some VERY positive
> > benefits. That interest is only one piece that I present to 
> the TAC. 
> If
> > you are willing,
> > a consolidated list of your views would be very helpful to 
> me. Let me
> > know what you think.
> > There is a little
> > known "be attitude" Blessed be the flexible, for they will
> > bend and not breakJ.
> >
> >
> > Hope to hear from
> > you all soon
> >
> > Kevin Davis
> >
> >
> >
> > Check out the TABI resource web page at
> > http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
> > and please make suggestions for new material.
> >
> >
> >
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