Yes, My blackjack has a built in GPS but Wave finder don't work on it. Wave finder just works on Simmons Phone. Mobile Geo works on Windows base Smart Phones/PDA/Pocket PC. Thanks, Blackjack blackjack2@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Easy Talk Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:02 AM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Blind drivers plot their own course Some phones now have built in GPS receivers that can be used with the Accessible version of way finder. I think Way Finder is cheaper than some of the other solutions but I think I heard you have to have a internet connection and downloading of maps is kind of slow. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Blind drivers plot their own course > Hi Blackjack, > > I've ordered one for myself, and so I'll let you know in a week or so. > however, it should be perfectly accessible, as it's just an accessory, > like > a set of headphones. you need a talking navigation system to make use of > it; it's just the GPS receiver. > > this particular model is a usb device, so you need one which allows for > external usb gps receivers. that would be one of the ones based around a > notetaker for certain, maybe others as well. > > as I said there are bluetooth versions of these new high-sensitivity > receivers, so they would work with a system running on say a smart phone, > if > that phone has a bluetooth capability. I believe there is a talking > navigational system for smart phones, I think from Sendaro group, and I > think it's mobile Geo. you'll have to do your homework to verify that, > but > there are several ways you could make use of this next generation > technology > anyway. > > hth, > > Chip > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf > Of Blackjack > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:00 PM > To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [tabi] Re: Blind drivers plot their own course > > Ok, is it accessible? If so how accessible? > > > Thanks, > Blackjack > blackjack2@xxxxxxx > -----Original Message----- > From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf > Of Chip Orange > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:36 AM > To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [tabi] Re: Blind drivers plot their own course > > Hi blackjack, > > I agree with your wishlist. > > there is an effort on to have all the consumer electronics have an > accessibility option. I'm not sure where that effort is, but I think with > our aging population, it will start to happen. > > One small point I wanted to mention to you was the availability of a gps > which usually works indoors. > > the core chipset is probably available in many consumer products; they > usually advertise it as "high-sensitivity". the one I'm familiar with is > the 16 channel EarthMate lt-40, which on sale can be had for as little as > $35. It's WAAS enabled (something which gives you much more precise > positioning in north america), and it's high-sensitivity, and has a cold > start time of around 30 seconds. if you have a gps navigating system > which > uses external gps receivers, I'd definitely upgrade to something like > this. > > other, less well known companies, seem to offer rechargible bluetooth > versions as well (such as Qstarz). > > hth, > > Chip > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Chip Orange > Database Administrator > Florida Public Service Commission > > Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > (850) 413-6314 > > (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Blackjack >> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:04 AM >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [tabi] Re: Blind drivers plot their own course >> >> Hi, this is fine and great like to see things like this going on that >> might be of benefit to us maybe in the next 25 to 50 years. Which will >> be all most to late for me! What I would like to see more of right now >> and I personally think would be of much more benefit to us in everyday >> life is some of these examples. Example: All major appliance being >> completely accessible, Majority of electronics being completely >> accessible or at the least mostly accessible, such as ( TV menus, >> Radios, House and cell phones being completely accessible, Satellite >> and cable boxes accessible and GPS that is completely accessible at a >> reasonable price and they would work in most business buildings). This >> all would be a start with stuff that would really help right now! This >> is what I would like to see happen in the next say 5 years. Just my >> thoughts. >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Blackjack >> blackjack2@xxxxxxx >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lynn Evans >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:57 PM >> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [tabi] Blind drivers plot their own course >> >> Blind Drivers Plot Their Own Course >> Va. Tech Prototype Vehicle Lets Visually Impaired Students Take the >> Wheel >> >> By Daniel de Vise >> Washington Post Staff Writer >> Saturday, August 1, 2009 >> >> A voice rose above the chatter in the University of Maryland parking >> lot: "Blind man driving!" >> >> Twenty people took turns piloting a car on this muggy Friday morning, >> the first public test of technology that might one day overcome >> barriers to putting the blind behind the wheel. >> >> The quest to drive has captivated the blind community as it has become >> more integrated into a car-centric society. Some likened Friday's test >> to a moon landing -- a fitting analogy, considering that the prototype >> vehicle vaguely resembled a lunar rover. >> >> "One day, we'll be on the road with them," said Ishaan Rastogi, 15, a >> blind New Jersey high school student with a Yankees cap pulled over >> his eyes and the first to test the vehicle. >> >> The event capped a >> <http://www.blindscience.org/ncbys/youth_slam.asp>summer >> science academy >> organized by the National Federation of the Blind for 200 blind and >> low-vision young people from across the country. The youths had spent >> the week rock climbing, bungee-jumping and launching weather balloons, >> activities tailored to teach that there is no limit to what a blind >> person can do. >> >> Virginia Tech engineers started work on the vehicle in response to a >> 2004 challenge from the blindness advocacy group to build a vehicle >> that the blind could drive with the same freedom as the sighted. >> >> "Blind people can do all sorts of things that the public doesn't think >> we can do," said Chris Danielsen, spokesman for the federation. >> The blind can read ordinary books with a hand-held device that >> translates type to synthetic speech. Adaptive devices permit blind >> users to interact with computers and surf the Internet. >> >> Driving without sight became a conceivable goal in this decade with >> the development of autonomous, computer-guided vehicles. The Defense >> Advanced Research Projects Agency ran a series of >> <http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.asp>contests to inspire a >> driverless car that could navigate complex terrain. By 2007, vehicles >> from Virginia Tech and several other universities could complete the >> DARPA course. >> >> But an autonomous vehicle wasn't enough. >> >> "We want the blind person to be the driver, not to be driven," said >> Matt Lippy, 21, a member of the nine-person design team at >> <http://www.me.vt.edu/romela/RoMeLa/RoMeLa.html>Virginia >> Tech's Robotics & >> Mechanisms Laboratory. >> >> The design team first sought to customize Virginia Tech's entry in the >> 2007 DARPA contest, a modified Ford Escape that finished third in the >> competition. But the engineers decided it would be easier to start >> from scratch. They purchased an all-terrain vehicle online for $1,300 >> in fall >> 2008 and began anew. >> >> They mounted a laser sensor to the front of the vehicle to sweep the >> terrain ahead and return a signal. A powerful computer at the rear of >> the buggy interprets the signal to build a two-dimensional map, >> showing obstacles in the vehicle's path. >> >> But how to show that map to a person who cannot see? >> >> Researchers boiled down the data to two crucial factors: direction and >> speed. A computer voice signals the driver through headphones how to >> steer to avoid a collision -- one click to the left, for example; >> three clicks to the right. >> >> "We call it a back-seat driver," Lippy said. >> >> The increments correspond to notches cut from the steering wheel. The >> driver turns the wheel and hears an audible "click." >> >> The computer communicates speed with vibrations fed through a vest >> worn by the driver. Stronger vibrations indicate it is time to stop. >> Sensors automatically kill the engine if the vehicle gets too close to >> an impediment. For the test drives, engineers rigged the buggy for a >> top speed of 15 mph. >> >> One by one Friday morning, drivers buzzed around Parking Lot 1D, empty >> save for traffic cones placed at intervals around light poles. >> There were no mishaps. >> >> "It's finally a chance to drive," said Angel Reyes, 16, a junior at >> New Brunswick High School in New Jersey, as he climbed from the >> vehicle. >> "Finally a chance to be more independent in getting where you want to >> go." >> >> When the team first tested the buggy in May, three blind drivers >> completed a curved course without hitting a single cone. In fact, the >> blind drivers -- who had never driven before -- fared better than the >> engineers themselves, who tried steering the car blindfolded. Lippy >> thinks that the experienced drivers tended to ignore the computer >> signals and follow their own instincts; the blind drivers obeyed the >> computer to the letter. >> >> The blind drivers posed questions that had not occurred to the >> engineers. >> How would they find the vehicle in a parking lot? If they had to jump >> the battery, how could they tell the positive cable from the negative? >> >> The engineers say their first Blind Driver Challenge vehicle is crude. >> The computer can sense and avoid obstacles but cannot plot a course to >> a destination. The team is working on a more sophisticated interface >> to deliver signals to drivers. Their goal is to convert the >> two-dimensional map plotted by the computer into something a blind >> driver can touch. >> >> They have tested a grid of air holes that shoot bursts of air, using >> various pulses and pressures, to convey topographical data. (A higher >> pressure could signal hills or bumps.) >> >> "You have to understand, this is a prototype," said Dennis Hong, an >> associate professor at Virginia Tech who directs the robotics lab. >> "First time in the history of mankind." >> >> He predicts a safe, stable technology for blind motorists will arrive >> "within the next three years. The problem is not the technology. The >> problem is public perception and legal issues." >> >> He urges detractors to think of the last time they flew in an >> airplane. "On autopilot," he said. 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