[sib-access] Re: Urgent: problem with note announcements
- From: "Dan Rugman" <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:51:28 +0100
Hi George,
I must have had the clarity level set to mud again.
That was exactly my point. I'm fairly certain that the middle arrow keys
and block of six are standard, although I once had a keyboard with no middle
INSERT key, which wasn't good for Sibelius
Reading my post again, I see that I said :
"I'm also not prepared to go too far down the road of describing keyboard
layouts. I did it for the extended navigation keys, because that is
specific to desktop layouts and they're always in the same place. However,
punctuation and other symbols are not so relyable. There are some layouts
where even the period and comma are in different places."
Perhaps that should have been:
"I'm not prepared to go down the road of describing keyboard layouts, except
for the extended navigation keys, which are common to most, if not all,
desktop keyboards."
As for the Alt GR" key? What a wonderful invention. I only wish they'd give
it its proper name of "CONTROL LOCK", or "GUESS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT".
Dan
P.S. I've never seen the atraction in sucking eggs, unless, perhaps, they
were pickled in Scotch, but that seems like an enormous waste of Scotch to
me.
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: 02 September 2008 12:14
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Urgent: problem with note announcements
Hi Dan,
I don't wish to put a proverbial spanner in the works, nor teach granny how
to suck eggs, but may I suggest great care over describing what you and I
might call standard keyboard desktop layouts, especially in terms of where
the keys actually are?
For example, an American keyboard layout does not always have a key to the
left of the letter z, which is where you find our backslash and solid
vertical bar. (Though it's possible there is one if a UK keyboard layout is
set to
American)
Similarly, American keyboards have two identical Alt keys, whereas our right
hand Alt key is actually "ALT GR", and is used to generate a third character
for a given key, such as ALT GR + top row number 4, which generates the Euro
currency sign.
This sort of thing has been an on-going problem, usually with American
developers.
George.
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman
Sent: 02 September 2008 11:58
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Urgent: problem with note announcements
Scott,
Some of the documentation was written in a hurry and I took a few shortcuts.
I'll be going through and tidying things up and turning signs into words is
one of the things on the list to do. It's not difficult, a find and replace
should do it.
As for the grave accent, I deliberately wrote it as ctrl+` because that's
what JAWS will say in the dialog. It doesn't say control + grave accent.
I'm also not prepared to go too far down the road of describing keyboard
layouts. I did it for the extended navigation keys, because that is
specific to desktop layouts and they're always in the same place. However,
punctuation and other symbols are not so relyable. There are some layouts
where even the period and comma are in different places.
As a compramise, I'll make the following change:
You should be in a combo box called "Keystroke".
And JAWS should announce "Control+Grawv", meaning the
CONTROL+GRAVEACCENT
keystroke.
Thanks for the suggestion,
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Erichsen
Sent: 02 September 2008 05:13
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Urgent: problem with note announcements
Dan,
I have a suggestion with the way you are writing documentation etc.
You wrote:
You should be in a combo box called "Keystroke".
The keystroke listed hear should be Control+`
Cant you make it say:
You should be in a combo box called "Keystroke".
The keystroke listed hear should be Control+ grave accent.
The grave accent
key is just to the left of the 1 on the number row.
Just it bit more intuitive for users, especially beginners.
Also when you write dash and equals, write the words rather than the
symbols.
Just something things that I think will make it clearer to users.
Hope this helps.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 4:04 AM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Urgent: problem with note announcements
Hi Vytautas,
This is a known issue. The installation process is supposed to assign a
keystroke to the access plug-in, but it clearly isn't working. We'll be
putting some known issues and fixes up on the site and I pasted the one for
this problem below.
---
The navigation keystrokes do not work and I keep hearing the same message.
The problem is that the Access plug-in has not been assigned a keystroke.
To fix this problem, do the following:
Press Control+Comma to open the preferences dialog.
Pres ShiftTab once.
You should be in a list box called "showing page"
Select the item "Menus and Shortcuts".
Press Tab once.
You should be in a combo box and the selected item should be "Access (user
copy).
If it isn't, select that item.
Press Tab again.
You should be in a list box called "menu or category".
Select the item "plug-ins"
Press Tab again.
You should be in a list box called "Feature".
Press Control+Home to make sure that the first item is selected.
DownArrow to the item "Access"
Press Tab once more.
You should be in a combo box called "Keystroke".
The keystroke listed hear should be Control+`
If this is not the case then do the following:
Tab to the "Add" button and press space.
Another dialog opens called "add keystroke".
Press Insert+NumberRow3
Press Control+`
Tab to the OK button and press space.
A message may pop up saying that the keystroke is being used by another
plug-in.
If it does, press the Yes button.
The add keystroke dialog closes and you'll be returned to the preferences
dialog.
Tab to the OK button and press it.
Now try navigating in the score.
---
Hope this helps,
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vytautas Jr
Sent: 01 September 2008 18:30
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Urgent: problem with note announcements
Hello all,
I'm trying to work onone of my scores, but can't make JAWS announce notes
and positions correctly. Every note is called C-sharp, and every bar is bar
18; for duration, it announces a weird thing that sounds like "her" or
"hur". Is there something I'm missing?
Any help would be greatly appreciated, also considering I'm starting
University tomorrow.
Cheers
Vytautas Bucionis
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