Hi Dan, I don't wish to put a proverbial spanner in the works, nor teach granny how to suck eggs, but may I suggest great care over describing what you and I might call standard keyboard desktop layouts, especially in terms of where the keys actually are? For example, an American keyboard layout does not always have a key to the left of the letter z, which is where you find our backslash and solid vertical bar. (Though it's possible there is one if a UK keyboard layout is set to American) Similarly, American keyboards have two identical Alt keys, whereas our right hand Alt key is actually "ALT GR", and is used to generate a third character for a given key, such as ALT GR + top row number 4, which generates the Euro currency sign. This sort of thing has been an on-going problem, usually with American developers. George. -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman Sent: 02 September 2008 11:58 To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Urgent: problem with note announcements Scott, Some of the documentation was written in a hurry and I took a few shortcuts. I'll be going through and tidying things up and turning signs into words is one of the things on the list to do. It's not difficult, a find and replace should do it. As for the grave accent, I deliberately wrote it as ctrl+` because that's what JAWS will say in the dialog. It doesn't say control + grave accent. I'm also not prepared to go too far down the road of describing keyboard layouts. I did it for the extended navigation keys, because that is specific to desktop layouts and they're always in the same place. However, punctuation and other symbols are not so relyable. There are some layouts where even the period and comma are in different places. As a compramise, I'll make the following change: You should be in a combo box called "Keystroke". And JAWS should announce "Control+Grawv", meaning the CONTROL+GRAVEACCENT keystroke. Thanks for the suggestion, Dan -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Erichsen Sent: 02 September 2008 05:13 To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Urgent: problem with note announcements Dan, I have a suggestion with the way you are writing documentation etc. You wrote: You should be in a combo box called "Keystroke". The keystroke listed hear should be Control+` Cant you make it say: You should be in a combo box called "Keystroke". The keystroke listed hear should be Control+ grave accent. The grave accent key is just to the left of the 1 on the number row. Just it bit more intuitive for users, especially beginners. Also when you write dash and equals, write the words rather than the symbols. Just something things that I think will make it clearer to users. Hope this helps. Scott -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 4:04 AM To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Urgent: problem with note announcements Hi Vytautas, This is a known issue. The installation process is supposed to assign a keystroke to the access plug-in, but it clearly isn't working. We'll be putting some known issues and fixes up on the site and I pasted the one for this problem below. --- The navigation keystrokes do not work and I keep hearing the same message. The problem is that the Access plug-in has not been assigned a keystroke. To fix this problem, do the following: Press Control+Comma to open the preferences dialog. Pres ShiftTab once. You should be in a list box called "showing page" Select the item "Menus and Shortcuts". Press Tab once. You should be in a combo box and the selected item should be "Access (user copy). If it isn't, select that item. Press Tab again. You should be in a list box called "menu or category". Select the item "plug-ins" Press Tab again. You should be in a list box called "Feature". Press Control+Home to make sure that the first item is selected. DownArrow to the item "Access" Press Tab once more. You should be in a combo box called "Keystroke". The keystroke listed hear should be Control+` If this is not the case then do the following: Tab to the "Add" button and press space. Another dialog opens called "add keystroke". Press Insert+NumberRow3 Press Control+` Tab to the OK button and press space. A message may pop up saying that the keystroke is being used by another plug-in. If it does, press the Yes button. The add keystroke dialog closes and you'll be returned to the preferences dialog. Tab to the OK button and press it. Now try navigating in the score. --- Hope this helps, Dan -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vytautas Jr Sent: 01 September 2008 18:30 To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Urgent: problem with note announcements Hello all, I'm trying to work onone of my scores, but can't make JAWS announce notes and positions correctly. Every note is called C-sharp, and every bar is bar 18; for duration, it announces a weird thing that sounds like "her" or "hur". Is there something I'm missing? Any help would be greatly appreciated, also considering I'm starting University tomorrow. 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