[sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib Access

  • From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:04:23 -0500

Actually, it isn't.  All you have to do is explain that this is a process
under which you can still read file names as they should be read while
reading documents without hearing every period and coma spoken.  You don't
have to do anything other than change your verbosity level if Eloquence is
your default voice synth.  However, if you wish to use the solo direct
voices, you have to do this dance.
        That understood, Sibelius has nothing to do with it.
        Again, if you wish to put it up, go ahead.  I'm probably going to
leave the JFW list again because there's simply too much traffic.
K.


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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:14 AM
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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I agree. It's too specific to Sibelius to be of use, without a lot of
preamble.

Thanks again!

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:23 AM
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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Feel free if you like. I won't bother.


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From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:23 AM
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
Access


Kevin,

Thanks for indulging me. Have you considered putting this up on the jfw
list, as well?

Thanks again. Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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Dave and all,
The key is to develop a new profile with the solo direct voices that work
with JAWS 10 and forward.  You then have to make two modifications, one that
applies to Wordpad and Sibelius, and the other that applies to the Internet
Explorer.JCF file.

We'll begin by modifying the Wordpad and Sibelius JCF files because you will
be working with the default file for these.  Do the following: 1.  In either
Wordpad or Sibelius, Press JAWS J and then arrow to open the Voices, Global
Adjustment dialog. 2.  Make sure that modify default is checked. 3.  You
will be making a new custom file which will become your default file.  Tab
to where it says save as and type in a new name. 4.  Tab to the voice
selection option and choose one of the solo direct voices of your choice.
SAPI voices don't seem to respond to what you're going to do next reliably
enough to use them. 5.  Tab to the punctuation box and choose none. 6.  Tab
to the okay and press space.  You have now left the dialog. 7.  Press JAWS 6
to open the configuration manager for either Sibelius or Wordpad, depending
which application you are in at the moment and do the following.
  8.  Press Alt s and arrow to customize punctuation
9.  Down arrow and make sure that the punctuation marks you do not wish to
hear, and I stress do not wish to hear, are set to all.  Remember ht you set
your default punctuation to none in the voices global dialog where you chose
modify application. 10.  If you set the coma and period to all when you've
set the application's punctuation read to none, you will get none.

For the Internet Explorer.JCF file, you want periods to be read so that a
file with a version number containing a period before the .exe does not
cause JAWS to read the file as a calendar date.  To do this: 1.  In any
subfolder on your computer, Press JAWS J and open the voices global
adjustment dialog. 2.  Select the second radio button, Modify Application
Internet Explorer. 3.  Tab and select the direct solo voice you wish. 4. Tab
and set punctuation to all. 5.  Tab to okay and you're done.

The key is not to read any long documents in an application where
punctuation hasn't been suppressed.

Curiously, you don't have nearly as much of a hassle if you simply use the
Eloquence default synth.  You only have to do this nonsense if you're using
the new direct solo voices.  Since I have three computers, It's necessary
for me to use different voices on at least two of them so I know which
machine is talking to me at any one time. HTH, Kevin In the Internet
Explorer.JCF file set

-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:44 PM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
Access


Kevin,
.... and what then was the final resolution? Don't leave us all hanging here
on this one.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:17 PM
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
Access


Daniel,
Thanks for all your help.  With your notes, combined with a conversation
with FS, I've got everything exactly the way I want it now. Kevin

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:29 AM
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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Hi Kevin,

Sorry, I didn't do a very good job of explaining this.

When you choose the level for an individual symbol it will be spoken at that
level and all levels above it.  So, setting period to All means that the
period will only be spoken when you set the punctuation level to all.
Setting period to most, it will be spoken when the punctuation level is most
or all.  Setting the period to none means that periods will be spoken when
the punctuation level is none, some, most or all.

If you don't want to hear a particular symbol you should set it to most,
some or none and then set the punctuation level to a level which is higher
than the level for the symbol.

Hope this makes more sense,

Dan Rugman

visit the new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and home of
Sibelius Access. www.musicaccess.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 16 March 2009 05:46
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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Dan,
You said that if I chose All in the radio buttons, than only characters that
had been set to all in the list would be spoken. Unfortunately, near as I
can figure out, the relationship between the radio buttons and the
characters is such that whatever you choose in the list is assigned to that
radio button and there's no way to, for example, set period to most and then
set the radio button to all so that the period isn't spoken.  What I can
seem to do is set the preferences I want using the JAWS v command on a one
time basis.  But when I Alt Tab out and back, the settings I made for
punctuation are lost.  Remember that this applies only to the SAPI voices. I
don't have any of these problems with the eloquence default profile. sorry
to bother you with this. Left a message on the JAWS list but haven't seen
any replies. Thanks, Kevin

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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 5:01 PM
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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Kevin,

You can set the verbosity levels for each application separately through the
configuration manager.  Make sure that you're in the application you want to
set the verbosity for and then press JAWS+6.  The configuration manager will
open with the JCF file for that app loaded.

Pressing Alt+S brings up a menu which contains all the dialogs which you can
use to configure the verbosity.

Customize Punctuation lets you specify how each punctuation character will
be spoken at the different punctuation levels.

It contains a list view of all the punctuation characters.  Pressing space
on each item will make it cycle through four options: all, most, some and
none.

After the list is a group of four radio buttons.  These correspond to the
same options in the list of characters.

If you choose all in the radio buttons, then only characters which have been
set to all in the list will be spoken.  Likewise for most, some and none.

Hope this helps,

Dan Rugman

visit the new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and home of
Sibelius Access. www.musicaccess.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 15 March 2009 20:10
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib Access

Dear All,
    I have JAWS 10 on my system with Sib Access.  I would like to use the
SAPI voices with Sib Access instead of Eloquence even though I've been told
that the SAPI voices are much slower and are best used when reading long
documents.  I just like the sound.  Not only that, I have multiple computers
and I would benefit from having different voices for each so I know which
one is speaking to me at any given time.  The problem is that I can't arrive
at a workable compromise that gives me the right level of spoken
punctuation.  If I have punctuation set to all, that will make JAWS read the
names of files located in folders with periods in their names before the .3,
such as exe files with detailed version numbers,  correctly.  However, If I
do that, I hear much too much punctuation when I'm in apps like Sibelius and
Sonar.  However, if I minimize the punctuation to an appropriate level for
Sibelius, file names of the sort I just described are read as having dates
in the body of their title when read by JAWS in Windows Explorer.
    For someone who has used JAWS as long as I have, I'm simply not as
accomplished as I should be.  A little vision is a dangerous thing.  Is
their a solution that will give me the punctuation compromise I want?  I
seem to get what I want when I'm in the default voice with Eloquence.
Thanks, Kevin

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