If you add the ped sign from the symbols dialog, it lands above. Like I said, I MADE ONE BY ELIMINATING THE ASTERISK FROM THE PEDAL UP SIGN. It works. K. -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:09 PM To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Piano pedalings and MIDI playback I wont be able to confirm this for a day or two, but I'll let you know. If memory serves you can add the pedal line to one note only and then move the right end of the line to the left to remove the line. This would leave the ped sign on its own. Another option would be to add the ped sign from the symbols dialog. This wouldn't play back but you could add a MIDI message to take care of that. Again, not much help, but I'll look into it. Dan Rugman Visit www.musicaccess.co.uk The new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and home of Sibelius Access. -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs Sent: 22 September 2008 22:46 To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Piano pedalings and MIDI playback Dan, Believe it or not, the standard pedal line is not just the letters ped. It has a line that is visible and extends from the ped letters. I had to create a symbol that conforms to what you describe by taking the pedal and asterisk sign and removing the asterisk sign from the end symbol dialog. The method you mentioned using ped signs at the start of each pedaling is what I've used in my previous books. However, I've been having problems getting that to play an accurate MIDI representation in 5.2 using the hybridized ped sign I described inventing above. If you have sighted assistance, please confirm that your ped sign actually does have a line that issues from it to the right, and that there is no ped sign sans line in the lines dialog by default. Thanks, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:29 PM To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Piano pedalings and MIDI playback Kevin, Pedalling can be a rather imprecise science, especially if you're writing modern classical music and deliberately want special effects. However, there are certain conventions which are followed by most pianists. The signs you use depends on what approach you want to take. The easiest way is to use the "pedal line". That's the one which is just the letters "ped" without a star or line of any kind. You then put the ped sign at each point where you need the pedal to change. To be more exact, each time you need the pedal to be pressed down. To way you do this practically is to select all the notes which will be sustained by the pedal and add the ped line to those. Remember that you need to include the note which comes immediately before the next pedal sign. In your example you'd select all the notes in beats one and two and add the line to those. You'd then select all note in beats three and four and add another line to those. It is taken as read that there will be a lift immediately before the pressing down. If you need the pedal to be lifted without another press, use the pedal with star. This will be interpreted as pressing down on the note above the "ped" sign and releasing at the end of the note with the star under it. What you should see under the left hand is a row of "ped" signs and occasional stars, the "ped" signs indicating the down pedals and the star indicating the lift. The other approach is to use a continuous line with rapid rises and falls in it. It looks like a horizontal line which is interrupted by inverted Vs. I've never used this approach in Sibelius, but I think the way you do it is to select the notes covered by the first pedal press and put a "pedal with lift" under them. You then select each group of notes which are sustained by a single press and use the "pedal lift again" line. If you need to lift the pedal without pressing it down again then use the "pedal lift finally", selecting from the note where the pedal is pressed to, and including, the note under which the pedal is lifted. When you use this continuous line approach, you try to position the vertical ticks so that each one is immediately under the note where the pedal press occurs. It's almost like a graph showing you where the pedal is through out the piece. That is, the horizontal line represents the pedal being held down and the rise and fall shows the pedal being lifted and pressed down again. Like I said, I don't really use this method, so I may have this wrong, but I think that's how it works. One other thing, if the playback isn't right, you can select the line and uncheck the play on pass 1 check box. This will stop the controller 64 MIDI messages from being sent. You could then add MIDI messages manually to create the right effect. Dan Rugman Visit www.musicaccess.co.uk The new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and home of Sibelius Access. 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