Ramy, I'm having a little trouble now and then with getting my posts to come through to the list. If you'll describe again what it is you are wanting to achieve concerning hiding staves, etc., please tell me again, and I'll be glad to try and help. What is it that is not working as you might expect? Dale If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx