Dale, According to the text, it is something we can do, but should consult with a sighted person afterwards. The manual indicates adding all the notes to the staff with the greatest population, then highlighting the multiple notes to move to the other staff. Then use the Cross-beaming (I think it's in the notes menu) to move the selection. Necessary stem positions and beams are created as needed. Collisions (at least in Sib 5) may still be an issue if there are other notes nearby. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Lieser" <dale.lieser@xxxxxxxxx> To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 14:08 Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note Dave, It does help. I had looked through that section of the manual, but still wasn't clear on what the resulting notation would look like or, more to the point, whether it is something we can accomplish without assistance. Dale -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:40 PM To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note Dale, There's some good description in the Sib 5 Reference manual, section 2.5 Beaming. Note that in this manual they are usually referred to as "Cross-staff beaming" rather than simply as cross-staff notes. In my further recollection now that I've read the manual, crossing the staff from one note to the next without any beam isn't an issue. I think it can be enhanced by using a slur or if more appropriate a line to show connectivity and encourage the idea that the hands are switching. In the case where a beam is necessary (eighth, sixteenth, etc) the beam is placed on both the up and down stems of the two successive notes, either level or slanted depending on how much of a jump there is in the pitch. So for example going from the bass staff to the treble staff with two eighth notes in succession, you have a normal note head with a stem to its right, pointing up ending at a beam toward the right. Then the treble note stem connects to that same beam and goes upward to the note head on the treble staff, the glob to the right of the stem. Hope this helps a bit. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Lieser" <dale.lieser@xxxxxxxxx> To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 13:25 Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note Sounds good, Dave. Thanks. If anyone else has descriptions, too, the more the merrier. Dale -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:23 PM To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note Dale, I'm thinking that the stem extends to the other staff, and that there's another note head at the other end, on that staff, with any necessary flags in-between. Not positive on this, but I'm pretty sure I've seen this type of note construction in my past. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Lieser" <dale.lieser@xxxxxxxxx> To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:59 Subject: [sib-access] Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note Hello Everyone, A couple of weeks ago we got into a discussion of Cross-staff notes. I know how to create them, but I also would like to know what they look like. Is it just that the stem is long enough to stretch into the other staff? Thanks for taking the time to respond. Dale If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx