We're analyzing SI aspects of a handful of commercial FPGAs, and we're running into some difficulties with the available PVT (process, voltage, temperature) models. I'd like to hear how folks deal with these issues. First some background.... When selecting one of the latest FPGAs, they are binned in different speed grades ranging from slow to nominal to fast (each vendor has its own numbering system for speed grades, so I'll use these generic terms). Theoretically, the "fast" parts are selected through testing as having the fastest performance. As such, we can infer that they have the fastest process relative to the other speed grade parts. Similarly for the nominal and slow grade parts. In contrast, the models from the FPGA vendors include three PVT corners per IBIS spec: minimum, typical, and maximum. These models represent the entire span of process, voltage, and temperature. As such, the=20 minimum models represent the slowest-grade process, lowest-voltage, and highest temp. At the other end, the maximum models represent the fastest-grade process, highest-voltage, and lowest temp. Now the challenge... For our application, we are using the fastest speed grade parts, which would suggest the parts have the fastest process. And we will be operating the parts over the full voltage and temperature ranges. Yet, models are not provided that cover the "fast" process and full range of voltage and temp. The models we have are IBIS based and encrypted HSPICE. As such, we are not able to manually control the PVT parameters, because they are either implied through the models or buried within the encrypted libraries. How are you dealing with this disparity between available models and the limited-process window of the parts? Does any chip vendor offer PVT corner models specific to speed grades? Beyond FPGAs, the memories we're using are in a similar situation. It is that common to get just one set of models to represent all possible speed grades of parts? =20 Thanks, Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu