[SI-LIST] Re: spatial resolution and effective rise time of VNA with TDR time-domain option

Jan,

I don't know what kind of time-domain routines your VNA has, but an excellent 
source of time-domain information can be found in Agilent application notes and 
user manuals.  Especially check out:

http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/08510-90281.pdf

Read Chapter 11, "Introduction to Time-Domain Measurements."  Some excerpts:

Step Rise Time (10% to 90%) = 0.45/BW * Window Factor
Impulse Width (50%) = 0.6/BW * Window Factor

The window factor depends on the type and shape of windowing filter(s) you use, 
and is typically between 1 and 3.  Sharp windows tend toward lower numbers, and 
soft windows tend toward higher numbers.  I don't think it says so in the 
document, but the window referred to is a Kaiser-Bessel window chosen because 
of its flexibility.

- Daniel

From: "Jan Vercammen" <jan.vercammen.jv1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Hello SI-list,
> 
> I have a question about the saptial resolution of vector network analysers
> (VNA)
> with time-domain TDR option, that is, to resolve discontinuitites in
> space (=length dimension)
> 
> Is there a rule of thumb for estimating the spatial resolution of a VNA
> with a
> TDR time-domain option from knowlegde of its bandwith BW.
> 
> I have found one rule in an application note: 15cm/BW(Ghz). For example,
> for a 6GHz
> BW the spatial resolution is about 2.5cm for an effective dielectric
> (dkeff) of 1.0.
> You probably get better resolution for PCB or cable measurments. The rule
> of thumb would become: 15cm/(sqrt(dkeff) BW(GHz).
> 
> Another question concerns the relation between the VNA bandwith and the
> available
> effective rise time of the step or pulse of the time domain signals. I
> assume that one
> cannot use the rule trise=0.35/Bw because there BW refers to the 3dB
> breakpoint
> (the effective BW is bigger). A VNA bandwith is its upper limit.
> 
> -1- Is the above spatial resolution rule correct?
> -2- Is there a rule of thumb to convert bandwith (BW) into an effective
> rise time (10-90%)
>       of a VNA with a time-domain option?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Jan Vercammen

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