Sorry, the first mesage was converted and is not readable. Please see the attached PDF-File. Thanks ! Regards, Liviu Craciun ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Craciun, Liviu-Dumitru Gesendet am: Freitag, 22. März 2002 09:49 An: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: Exler, Hartmut Betreff: SI tool for a particular layer stackup Hi, I have to simulate 8-layer PCBs with a particular stackup: TOP ===== ==== ==============GND Plane with DISCONTINUITY Dielectric 1 INNER 1 == == == == == == == SIGNALs Dielectric 2 INNER 2 == == == == == == = SIGNALs Dielectric 3 INNER 3 =============================CONTINUOUS GND Plane ........ etc .... IMPORTANT: TOP-Layer has a GND plane with many and relativ great discontinuities thickness dielectric 1 and 2 = 0,050 mm ! thickness dielectric 3 = 0,350 mm ! ! Conclusion: a signal traces has partial 2 reference planes (0,050 mm and 0,400 mm), partial only one reference plane (0,400 mm). Yes, I know, there are better solutions. But I have to simulate also THIS solution. What Signal Integrity toll have you attended that are worthwhile to simulate this particular structure ? Thanks for your time. Best regards Liviu Craciun HARMAN / BECKER AUTOMOTIVE SYSTEMS ______________________________________________________ Becker GmbH - Im Stöckmädle 1 - 76307 Karlsbad - Germany Dipl.- Ing. Liviu Craciun product engineering group PDE-HW2, Produktentwicklung Hardware phone: +49 (0) 7248 - 71 - 1614 fax: +49 (0) 7248 - 71 - 1205 eMail: LCraciun@xxxxxxxxx -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Type: application/octet-stream -- File: SI tool for a particular layer stackup.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu