[SI-LIST] Re: differential pair routing topology
- From: Ivor Bowden <ivorlist@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:07:23 -0700
Hi Andy,
Thanks for your reply! At 1.65GHz max (DVI video) the wavelength is only
a few inches. Most of the trace runs on this board are not longer that
that. Requirements for precisely maintained pair gaps and 45 degree
corners only would be overkill. I think the more important things are:
1) The pair members are matched in length, and to a lesser extent the
number of corners.
2) Other signals are kept far enough away to avoid crosstalk problems.
3) The stripline return paths (power & ground) are clean (no splits,
good bypassing, etc).
Anyone disagreeing, or with more comments, please let me know.
Sincerely,
Ivor.
on 4/24/2006 6:41 AM PST Andrew Ingraham wrote:
>> 1) I'm considering the routing topology. Density is a factor, space for
>> routing channels is limited. For width / clearance rules I could use,
>> say, 4/8/4 (mils). I think this could be considered "loosely coupled".
>> This could be routed using a 12 (or divisor of) mil grid. But this
>> spacing can not be maintained the entire length, it must vary slightly
>> at the IC and connector fanouts / vias. So the question is, would it be
>> better to increase the spacing to maintain a more consistent impedance
>> profile, or does it not make a significant difference?
>
> Consider the length of the impedance discontinuity with respect to the
> shortest wavelength. Maybe it doesn't make enough difference.
>
> Decreasing the spacing is similar to allowing traces of other signals nearby
> in that region. Some people get anal trying to maintain precisely some
> particular diff. pair spacing rule, while allowing other traces to impinge
> on the area.
>
>> 2) I understand the primary reason for not using 90 degree corners is
>> the impedance discontinuity due to the capacitance of the extra corner
>> area, so it is better to use 45 degree corners.
>
> Actually, that's not it. For most of us who work with frequencies below
> 10 GHz or more, the reason for avoiding 90 degree corners is not an
> electrical one. It is to improve yield, since sharp corners tend to be
> somewhat problematic for good etching.
>
> The electrical discontinuity is there but it's very slight and hardly
> matters unless you're way up into the microwaves. But there's a lot of
> folklore that ignores this fact. Some also claim corners become antennas,
> which may be true but only if you go really high in frequency.
>
> Check with your board vendor about using non-chamfered (90 degree) corners.
> 45 degree bends are generally better but not always necessary. Consider
> also whether you're running significant lengths of traces at 45 degrees, or
> only tiny segments.
>
> Regards,
> Andy
>
>
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