[SI-LIST] Re: current return-path for differential pair on PCB
- From: Charles Hill <chuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Istvan Nagy <buenos@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:56:03 -0700
Hi Istvan,
You are correct. And there are other factors which make your judgment
more appropriate. For multiple conductor transmission lines the
characteristic impedance and the terminations are matrices and vectors.
For SATA, the differential pairs are "lightly coupled" meaning that the
impedance line to line is high--for a SATA cable it is 60 ohms each side
to ground and 600 ohms line to line. This is close to the reference
termination of 50 ohms each side to ground and infinite line to line.
Mismatches in transmission lines lead to reflections and this occurs in
the common mode as well. The SATA connector has a fairly high common
mode mismatch (because some folks said CM doesn't matter) and when
combined with other common mode mismatches, a common mode resonance
appears. Resonant effects magnify noise and imbalanced signals.
The usual approach to common mode noise is to try to get high mode
isolation, that is, good impedance balance (matching skew through trace
lengths). This is indirect since it doesn't help CM noise.
Another item of note is in PCB configurations, only those that have
broadside coupled lines can achieve "tightly coupled" lines, that is,
low impedance line to line. Hence, "lightly coupled" is a common PCB
implementation.
EMI is a consideration that is directly related to the CM noise. This
is the reason behind the restrictive specifications on rise/fall time
matching and skew. The CM conditions are those that create the EM
fields responsible for emission (and susceptability as well).
The other consideration that is often neglected is the limited dynamic
range that transmitters and receivers possess. When extraneous signals
such as noise and reflections are impressed onto a transmitter output or
a receiver input it is possible to drive these into a bias condition
beyond design limits where it functions differently. All electronic
outputs and inputs have a limited voltage range.
This topic is one of those where an understanding of how systems work
and fail is key to setting up tests that expose the defect. Many
implementors fail to understand limitations and do not create tests that
create failure conditions, effectively testing only the typical cases.
Regards,
Chuck Hill, SATAIO Phy WG Chair
Istvan Nagy wrote:
> hi
> for a differential pair, like PCIe or SATA, some people (some of my
> colleagues) say, its not needed to have a continous good current return path
> since the differential voltage is referenced only to the other signal-trace
> in the pair.
>
> I think the current return path has to be continous even for diffpairs,
> because:
> 1.) Common mode noise:
> if the return path is not continous, then it creates loops for the common
> mode noise, so the common mode noise will be bigger. If the CM noise is
> bigger than it introduces jitter into the differential signal. which is bad.
> 2.) Impedance:
> if the return path is poor, the the return current has to flow around to get
> a path between the source and destination, so on some areas the return
> current doesnt flow unterneath the signal traces so basically their
> single-ended (odd mode) impedances (so the diff impedance too) will be
> different than its calculated in the imp.calculator (polar, or MMTL), which
> assumes a perfect ground plane.
>
> am i right, or wrong? why?
>
> Istvan Nagy
> Concurrent Technologies plc, UK.
>
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