On 4/10/2012 11:00 AM, Todd Hubing wrote: > 1. The concept of characteristic impedance assumes that there is TEM > propagation on the line. If there are evanescent modes or higher-order modes, > characteristic impedance is no longer a particularly useful (or well defined) > concept. I would rather suggest this should be stated "The concept of characteristic impedance assumes that there is a single mode of propagation on the line." That mode is often TEM for multi-conductor lines, but could be TEnm TMnm or any other non-evanescant mode, so long as it occurs singly and without significant mode conversion issues. After all, characteristic impedance has been applied to (for example) rectangular cross-section waveguides, for which there is no TEM mode. sequeing into 2) (Furthermore, while one could consider a characteristic impedance for each mode in multi-modal propagations, the composite impedance presented at any port is ill-defined unless the details of amplitude and phase for each mode at that port and their relative geometric relations to the point of sampling of voltage difference and current injection are all well defined and presumably invariant, which is highly unlikely to be realizable in actuality.) For 3): "For lossless lines (R=0, G=0), the characteristic impedance is not a function of frequency ..." given the assumption of TEM in 1) above this is probably true. When non-TEM modes are considered this is false. Basically in any situation where dispersion is an issue this statement is false. For 4. "For low-loss lines (R<<wL and G<<wC), the characteristic impedance is nearly independent of frequency." Again likely true for TEM, but definitely false for modes for which dispersion is an issue. A good summation in general, albeit a bit overly assumptive of TEM (MHOO) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu