Hi Julian, There are some tricks that you can play with press fit connectors that you can't really do with a solder tail connector to help reduce parasitics. I think that the two most popular techniques are back side counter boring of the board to remove the via stub and using a top side blind via that is just long enough to get past the contact of the press fit 'bubble'. The problem with these techniques is that it adds cost to the board due to extra processing. I've personally always questioned the reliability of counterboring. The mechanical challenges are always the first thing that comes up regarding SMT backplane connectors. Thermal expansion, coplanarity, having something other than the solder contacts to absorb the force of mating and unmating are all big barriers to adoption of these connectors. Another issue that I have heard regarding these connectors is overcoming the thermal mass of the connector so that the solder melts but the housing doesn't. I agree that you can have an easier time with parasitics. You can also have increase routability with these. Just my 0.02 Michael -----Original Message----- From: Julian Ferry [mailto:julian.ferry@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:43 PM To: 'howiej@xxxxxxxxxx'; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: backplane connector In my opinion, this is almost like asking "Which is better, red wine or white wine?" Both have their advantages and disadvantages in various applications. Surface mount can most definitely offer some electrical advantages. If you keep your vias under control, routing options on inner layers are much more flexible with surface mount connectors. Surface mount also allows you to use stopped or drilled via technologies to eliminate stub effects. With press fit, you need full length vias. There are some different mechanical challenges associated with surface mount connectors. Probably the most significant is in trying to maintain acceptable coplanarity in the terminals across a large connector. Coplanarity is important in reflow processing. Thermal expansion of the board vs the connector is another concern. And sometimes additional means of mechanical support might be required for surface mount versions. The press fit connectors tend to be much more rugged, as-is. -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Howard Johnson [mailto:howiej@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:02 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] backplane connector I'm doing some research for an EDN column about the use of surface-mounted backplane connectors as opposed to press-fit types for high-speed serial backplanes (in the GHz+ speed range). Of course the press-fit conectors have the advantage of not requiring soldering on your backplane, which means you can incorporate cheezy plastic parts into the connector shells. The surface-mounted connectors work well with very small blind vias which are good for high-speed signals. Which is best? Where are we going in the future? Any comments you would care to submit to my attention ( howiej@xxxxxxxxxx ) or post here on the si-list would be greatly appreciated. Please include the words: "backplane connector" in the subject line to make sure I see the message. Best regards, Dr. Howard Johnson, Signal Consulting Inc., tel +1 509-997-0505, howiej@xxxxxxxxxx http:\\sigcon.com -- High-Speed Digital Design articles, books, tools, and seminars ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu