[SI-LIST] Re: Why is capacitor with high ESR
- From: "Sogo Hsu" <sogo.hsu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 08:14:50 -0000
Zhangkun,
Several years ago, I also tried to "match" the impedance. Ideally,
it is possible, however, it is hard to "match" the characteristic
impedance of "radial transmission line". Besides, you can find the
related paper in IEEE. "Reducing simultaneous switching noise and
EMI on ground/power planes by dissipative edge termination" by Novak.
Best regards,
Sogo Hsu, Ph. D.
Simulation center/Foxconn
--- In si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, zhangkun 29902 <zhang_kun@xxxx>
wrote:
> Dear ALL
>
> I am incharge of power integrity(PI) and electromagnetic inference
(EMI) in Huawei Tech. In printed circuit board(PCB), the power
ground plane pair composes of one resonant cavity, which could be
studied by means of 2-dimension tansmission line theory.
>
> According to the transmission line theory, when the transmission
line is matched, there is no resonance. At the edge of PCB, the EM
energy is reflected because the transmission line is OPEN.
Traditional decoupling capacitors are of low ESR, which could not
damping the resonance. Therefore I need capacitor with high ESR,
whose ESR should be matched with the transmission line. On the other
hand, the ESL is critical at high frequency. The ESL should be as
small as possible. The package of capacitor mainly determines ESL so
that the package should be as small as possible, such as 0402 or
0603. The capacitance should be as large as possible so that some
benifit could be gotten at lower freqeuncy domain.
>
> In DesignCon 2005, Cadence and Huawei will present one paper on
this topic. The measurement results showed that the power ground
noise is reduced about 10db and the far field EMI is reduced about
5db at several hundred MHz, when the capacitor of high ESR is
applied. The frequency domain is extended to 1GHz where all the
power ground noise and far field EMI could be reduced.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Zhangkun
> 2004.12.3
>
>
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