Joaquin, If you can minimize the intermediate traversal of traces between the = layers , you should be ok.=20 You can do a quick simulation to see the effect. I have seen minimal = effect on gigabit traces with this scenario Of twisting the differential = signals. Regards Nitin Sood -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] = On Behalf Of jain.nitin@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:28 AM To: JFonseca@xxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Twisting of differential pair traces Hi Joaquin, There is no problem in doing so but only when you are trying to twist, = you=3D will introduce an extra length for one of the trace. In other words = you=3D will introduce some skew b/w 'p' & 'n' trace. If that skew is under = your=3D tolerance level, no issues otherwise you will have to compensate for = that=3D skew maintaining your 100ohm differential impedance. If you have = loosely=3D coupled traces matching p & n length is not a problem. You can do it=3D anywhere b/w your driver & receiver. But if you have edge coupled = traces,=3D the best way is to add extra trace length to p/n (which ever is short) = at=3D driver or receiver pins only. Hope it helps. With regards, Nitin=3D0D -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] = On=3D Behalf Of Fonseca, Joaquin Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:39 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Twisting of differential pair traces I have a question regarding routing differential signals on a = board.=3D0D For the case that the pair of traces of a given differential pair travels=3D = from layer to layer using vias, what is the effect if the traces are=3D = allowed to twist?. That is, what is the effect of having the plus trace on=3D one = side of the pair on a layer, and then having it on the other side on=3D another = layer (after transitioning thru vias)? (I hope I am able to=3D explain the = "twist" issue). Any comments are welcome. Regards, Joaqu=3DEDn ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =3D0D //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =3D0D The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments = to=3D this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) = and=3D may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you=3D = are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or=3D = copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all=3D copies = of this message and any attachments.=3D0D WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient=3D should check this email and any attachments for the presence of = viruses.=3D The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus=3D transmitted by this email. =3D0D www.wipro.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu