Here's a possibility based on (possibly) related experience. Note that I'm not an ESD expert. While in the Fab (many years ago), we noticed enormous amounts of static building up on the "boats" that held the wafers (and the wafers themselves). A large part of the blame for the static build-up was attributed to the fact that they were constantly under HEPA filters - large amounts of airflow. You experience a similar phenomena when you get out of your car after driving fast on dry days. We had to go to more conductive boats to solve the problem. I wonder if the static isn't being built up on the center conductor of your cables while they're sitting around and their first opportunity for discharge is when you touch the poor TDR head to them. Your wrist straps and conductive mats wouldn't help this. There are simple meters available to measure static build-up, and should detect it if this is the culprit. To remedy this, I would suggest shorting each cable's center and outer conductors together before testing. I believe Polar Instruments TDRs are less susceptible to ESD damage, since they can afford to put ESD protection on their heads (their rise-times are accordingly slower). The problem is that I don't believe their instruments measure differential impedance/length. Jeff Loyer -----Original Message----- From: JOHN SAWDY [mailto:JSAWDY@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:32 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] TDR's and ESD Protection We are experiencing a high failure rate on our Tektronix SD-24 TDR heads when we test cable assemblies. Our cables assemblies sometimes are 40 to 80 feet in length and consist of multiple coax and twinax cables within each assembly. We typically use the TDR to measure differential electrical length and skew of the finished assembly. We use wrist straps and conductive mats on the benches. We short all pins to ground before we connect to the TDR to try to remove any residual charges. I am wondering if anyone else has some experience with this and if they might have a solution. I have also heard that "mechanical noise" generated by movement of the cable may be a culprit but I am not sure of the magnitude of such noise. Can anyone confirm that this is a possibility? Does anyone have any experience to suggest that one brand may be more robust then another or that one model of head may be more robust. Looking forward to your responses, John John F. Sawdy, Senior Applications Engineer Meritec, a division of Associated Enterprises voice mail: 440-354-3148 x 267 fax: 440 -354-0687 mailto:jsawdy@xxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu