[SI-LIST] Re: Spice simulators
- From: "abe riazi" <ariazi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:11:55 -0700
Chris:
In my email, I was referring to the fact that HSPICE allows
direct utilization of IBIS models, whereas XTK requires
first conversion of IBIS models to QUAD format.
Is it now possible to use IBIS models directly in
XTK simulations?
Thank you.
Abe Riazi
ServerWorks
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Rokusek [SMTP:crokusek@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:02 AM
To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Spice simulators
Abe, Ashok,
FYI, the latest released version of XTK includes an embedded Berkeley SPICE3f5
SPICE engine that
supports W-element and BSIM3 models.
Chris Rokusek
Innoveda
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> [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of abe riazi
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:29 AM
> To: 'si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
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>
>
> Dear Ashok:
>
> Some of your questions have already been answered by Chris H. Simon and =
> Peter LaFlamme.=20
>
> In regard to price of HSPICE, I have been informed that it can cost =
> about $ 13, 000 to $ 20,000 depending on the platform and type of =
> license.
>
> Let me emphasize that one notable advantage of HSPICE is that it allows =
> direct use of IBIS models (which PSPICE does not) and this in turn =
> offers important applications. For example, I frequently carry out =
> pre-route and post-route PCB simulations using XTK, which requires first =
> converting an IBIS model into QUAD format (via IBIS2XTK program). To =
> evaluate level of inaccuracies which may have occurred (during model =
> translations from IBIS to XTK), certain nets are simulated using XTK =
> (with QUAD generated models) and also with HSPICE ( directly using IBIS =
> models) and then the HSPICE and XTK results are compared.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Abe Riazi
> ServerWorks
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashok Babu K [SMTP:k.ashokbabu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:46 PM
> To: ariazi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: Spice simulators
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have gone through the discussions on SPICE tool on this list. Main
> contenders are HSPICE and PSPICE. What about other SPICE tools like =
> ISPICE
> from Intusoft, or SPICE tools from Ansoft? Also some free SPICE tools =
> like
> WinSPICE are avalable. What about their limitations? What about price
> comparisons of PSPICE and HSPICE?
>
> Actually we would like to purchase Spice tool for our simulations at =
> OC48
> and OC192 systems. We considered PSPICE and HSPICE. The PSPICE pricing =
> is
> given as about 4500USD in their website, and no idea about HSPICE. Can
> anyone give us an idea about HSPICE pricing and its updates etc? We are
> awaiting response from Avanti, but we hope the response very fast in =
> this
> list.
>
> At high frequencies, frequency dependent lossy transmission line modes
> W-Element transmssion line models are used extensively. Is this model
> supported only in HSPICE? Can PSPICE support this? Does PSPICE has its =
> own
> model? Some SPICE tools support only RLC models. I feel that they maynot =
> be
> sufficient at frequencies of 2.5GHz. Can you please shed some light on =
> this?
>
> Also we would like to use HSPICE for our ASIC backend services? Will it =
> be
> feasible?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Ashok.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "abe riazi" <ariazi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:44 PM
> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Spice simulators
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