[SI-LIST] Re: [SI-LIST]: Design a shielded differential line

Dear Charles or whoever originated the following questions,

If you're talking about the equations in Section 4.6.2, Broadside Coupled
Striplines, I've used them and found them reasonably accurate. Sure, you
have to *solve* for k, but if you're using Mathcad, it isn't all that hard.

Paul

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Charles Grasso wrote:

> I have to ask this..
>
> I noticed that Wadells book is referenced. How
> many people have actually USED the equations
> in the book ?? For example for the equation
> for the shielded broadside coupled pair,
> he uses k,K and K prime. In defining k he
> has the unknown on the LHS of the equation.
> If anyone knows how to decipher the equation
> can they please let me know?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of john lipsius
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 5:10 PM
> To: si-list
> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: [SI-LIST]: Design a shielded differential line
>
> 1. I would use a field solver, like Apsim RLGC or Ansoft.
> 2. I would not use broadside, as you show.  I would use edge-coupled,
> instead, due
>     to manufacturing problems (difficult to maintain the geometry, therefore
> the Z).
> 3. Reference:  "Transmission Line Design Handbook",  Brian Wadell.  See
>     sec. 4.6.
> 4. A shielded pair would have contiguous reference copper around all 4
>     sides.  Your diagram doesn't show this.
> 5. Not sure why you specify "minimum capacitance between the differential
> line
>     and the ground" since that's fairly well set by your choice of FR4 and
> W,
>     unless you're doing something exotic like minimizing electrical length
> or
>     maximizing phase velocity, which aren't of concern, I believe, in normal
>     digital interconnect.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PRIEUR, Olivier" <Olivier.PRIEUR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "si-list" <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:15 AM
> Subject: [SI-LIST] [SI-LIST]: Design a shielded differential line
>
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I want to design a shielded differential line in a PCB.
> > Nominal characteristic impedance of the differential line is 70 to 85 ohms
> > The recherched struture is
> > ______________            GND
> >        ___                  h1
> >        ___                  h
> > ______________    h1   GND
> > I have the added constraints:
> > minimum width W of trace is .216 mm
> > thickness h, h1 of dielectric is 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.4/0.5
> > substrate dielectric constant about 4.7 (FR4)
> > I look for h, h1 and W.
> > I want a minimum capacitance between the differential line and the ground.
> > Do you know a formula, an article about this topic?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Olivier PRIEUR
> > e-mail: olivier.prieur @astrium-space.com
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
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