[SI-LIST] Re: Pk-Pk jitter
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- To: <hmurray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:06:11 -0700
It would sure be nice if everyone would adopt the concept of "total =
jitter" at a specified bit error rate, as per the definitions in T11.2 =
MJSQ. I get this question all the time and there is no good answer. =
Peak-to-peak depends entirely on how long you measure it. Extrapolation =
based on separation into random and deterministic jitter is a far more =
repeatable and meaningful measure. Start asking the vendors what they =
mean by "peak-to-peak" and how it should be measured, and maybe =
eventually they'll catch on. =20
Art Porter
Agilent Technologies.=20
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Pk-Pk jitter
> The vendor often provides PK to PK jitter parameter of PLL, but as
> we know, a reference clock on board will be feed to PLL via ASIC
> package and a input IO buffer, so we how to do simulation to get
> reference clock jitter requirement. could you help to give simulation
> methodology? thanks!=20
What does Peak-to-peak mean in this context?
If the distribution is Gausian (which is the usual assumption), then the =
tails go on forever. It's just a matter of how long you wait.
Is there an implied cutoff at 6 sigma or something like that? I think =
that=20
would make Pk-Pk a useful description.
Is the typical distribution actually Gaussian? All sorts of things get =
more=20
interesting if it isn't quite Gaussian.
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