[SI-LIST] Re: PCB Gnd discontinuity on simulation software
- From: Ken Wyatt <ken@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Carrier, Patrick" <Patrick_Carrier@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:04:24 -0700
Oh Ettore, forget the SI analysis stuff and go ahead and route your high-speed
traces over all the gaps you want. It will help keep us EMC consultants fully
employed! :-) Ha!
Cheers, Ken
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On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Carrier, Patrick wrote:
> Hi Ettore--
> You cannot simulate the effects of traces crossing plane gaps and splits
> using the standard HyperLynx SI.
> You can, however, simulate this effect using HyperLynx 3D, which has been
> recently integrated with HyperLynx SI:
> http://www.mentor.com/products/pcb-system-design/news/mentor-announces-hyperlynx-functionality
>
> As Steve points out, the result of such an analysis is usually the conclusion
> that you shouldn't route traces across plane gaps and splits.
> Mentor also has a tool that looks for reference plane discontinuities such as
> this so that you can eliminate them from your design:
> http://www.mentor.com/products/pcb-system-design/circuit-simulation/quiet-expert/
>
> --Pat
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> Ettore, your picture did not come through as the SI-list does not
> support attachments.
>
> I do not believe that present versions of Hyperlynx account for signals
> crossing plane splits. If I am wrong, I am sure the Mentor guys will
> chime in. In order to evaluate those kinds of effects accurately, a
> full-wave solver is the best way to go. However, I will tell you right
> now that you don't need a full wave tool to accurately predict that you
> are setting yourself up for EMI headaches by introducing such a
> discontinuity. You should really do what you can to maintain a
> contiguous transmission path.
>
> Steve.
> On 2/24/2012 2:29 AM, ruscino wrote:
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>> Hi all, in my circuit there are lvds nets that are on gnd shape
>> (microstrip topology).
>> These nets crossing also a circuit area where there is not the gnd shape.
>> When I simulate this circuit on simulation software like Hyperlynx
>> take the software into account this gnd discontinuity?
>> See the picture in attach, please.
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> Ettore
>>
>>
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