Hi SI experts, I am in the process of designing a connector and would like to get some idea from the experts. I need to put a PCB (4 layers sig1- ref1 - ref2 - sig2) in a connector to minimize the crosstalk between differential pairs. The routing will be microstrip edge coupled and length of the PCB is only about 500mils or less. (There are still lead frame between the PCB) The rise time of the signal is about 700ps. Here is what I am thinking 1) If I use 155ps/in for microstip line propagation delay, 1/10 of rise time is about 450mils. So the PCB will look like a lump element instead of transmission line. Do I really need to worry about the PCB impedance control? 2) Let say if I do need impedance control in the PCB for 100 ohm differential. I calculated the impedance requirement for the regular PCB then I need two 10mils traces, pitch to pitch 20 mils and the reference plane height about 8 mils. The connector is connected to unshield twisted pairs cable. Since each cable pair is tight coupling to each other the return path will be on the other cable. Here is what I am getting confuse, the reference plane in connector PCB is floating (Not connect to any ground). And the edge couple trace only have coupling effect about 14% to each other because the 10 mils spacing. If I look at the PCB itself, the impedance should be 100 ohm. However, the connector PCB have connected with twisted pair cable though the lead frame, it seems to be the return path won't be on the PCB reference plane much but mainly on the other differential trace. If this is the case will the differential impedance on the PCB still is 100 ohm? Do I expect to see impedance mismatch on the differential signal. I assume the reference plane still good for crosstalk isolation if I route edge couple trace on both top and bottom layer right. BTW Can any one recommend any simulation tool that is good for connector? I would appreciate any feedback. Thanks, Yee ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu