Yang, I'll try to answer most of your questions. Spice models for most connectors are available from the vendor web pages or contact the vendor, they should have LCR single line or coupled line models available. You can also create models from TDR measurements, your best bet is to use the TDA Systems tool, http://www.tdasystems.com/. For most ICs you should be able to obtain IBIS models from the vendor web page. See http://www.eigroup.org/ibis/, the IBIS home page, for a list of vendors which have IBIS models on their web pages. And yes, you should create a library of models for connectors, ICs to use in your simulations. =20 There are several consulting companies which can create models or simulating services for you; companies which come to mind with are=20 NESA http://www.nesa.com/ Bayside Design Services http://www.baysidedesign.com/ Teraspeed Consulting http://www.teraspeed.com/ Regards, Fabrizio Zanella Signal Integrity Enterasys Networks -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of You, Yang Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:25 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Modeling Connectors and Relays Hi, =20 I'm just getting started working with SI simulations for PCBs and I'd like to know how to obtain models for connectors and relays from the lab. How would I model the parasitic and impedance characteristics of connectors and relays and what laboratory equipment/methodology would I use? What are some of your experiences obtaining models for use in your circuit simulations such as models of ICs? How hard has it been to work with the vendors to obtain some of these models and how much of your own resources were needed to obtain models that weren't readily available from the vendor?=20 Do you try to compile a library of models of commonly used components or just go look for new models as needed? Are there any consulting companies you recommend that provide a fairly comprehensive, accurate and reasonably priced library of models or provide modeling services? Thanks for all your help. =20 Yang You =20 Texas Instruments, Inc. =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu