Larry Smith Wrote: > The total mounted inductance determines the series resonant frequency > of the capacitor. The equivalent series inductance (ESL) of the mounted > capacitor is found from the capacitance value and the resonant > frequency and the relationship: f0 = 1/(2pi*sqrt(ESL*C)) where f0 is > the frequency of the impedance dip, C is capacitance. There are four > factors that contribute to the mounted inductance (ESL) of a capacitor: > > 1) Power plane spreading inductance - This is the inductance (energy > stored in the B field between the power and ground planes) as current > escapes from the decoupling capacitor location. Some people like to > refer this inductance to the via between the planes but the inductance > is really associated with the planes themselves because there is B > field between the planes even if planes are connected together by a > perfect, zero inductance connection. This can be demonstrated in most > power plane simulation tools. The spreading inductance for power > planes is likely to be 50pH to 1000pH, depending upon the thickness of > the dielectric and the location of the capacitor on the PCB (center, > edge or corner). > > 2) Via and pad inductance - The capacitor is generally connected to > power planes through a pair of vias, one for power and one for ground. > There is an inductance associated with the vias that is determined by > via length, diameter and spacing. B field accumulates in this loop > indicating stored energy in a magnetic field and therefor inductance. > The inductance associated with the via and mounting pads is 50 pH to > 3000 pH, depending on geometries. > > 3) There are two inductances associated with the capacitor itself. We > call the first inductance L_bottom. It is associated with the filler > plate at bottom of the capacitor. The filler plate fills up the area > between the bottom of the physical capacitor and first conductive plates. > B field stored in this physical region contributes to L_bottom. It is > between 10 and several hundred pH, depending on the design of the > capacitor. > > 4) Finally, there is an inductance associated with the capacitor > plates themselves. A good way of looking at this is from a > transmission line perspective. As we move up the physical stack of > capacitor plates, we uncover more and more capacitance (plates). We > also uncover more and more loop area which contributes inductance. > Hmmm, sounds like a transmission line. It is possible to establish a > capacitance and inductance per unit length of this short little > transmission line and therefor an impedance and delay. It turns out > that the series resonant frequency for the capacitor occurs at the > quarter wavelenth frequency of this transmission line, including > inductances described in 1), 2) and 3). Those "weird little bumps" (I > believe that was terminology used in a previous posting on this > subject) in the measured impedance vs frequency curve are multiples of > quarter and half wavelength frequencies in the capacitor > transmission line. You have to mount the capacitor on a fixture or > product with very small inductance in order to see these transmission > line effects. If you mount the capacitor sideways, with the plates > sticking straight up rather than parallel to the PCB power planes, you > will not see the transmission line effects at all. You will see a very > different impedance vs frequency profile. The inductance associated > with the capacitor plates is between 10 and 500 pH, depending on the > design (capacitance value and height) of the capacitor. > Dear Larry: In order to explore certain details of your interesting post, I have formulated below a practical example. Using the Kemet Spice Simulation Software (available at their Web site), I specified a ceramic capacitor: Chip Style: 0805 Dielectric Type: X7R Capacitance: 100 nF Rated Voltage: 50 WVDC Tolerance: +/- 10% The program determined the Kemet part number (e.g. C0805C104K5RAC ), Impedance and ESR (as functions of frequency), series self resonance, and also following equivalent series inductance: ESL = 1.94 nH Here I assumed this ESL value includes what you have described by factors 3 and 4, but it needs to be increased (when mounted on PCB) by: 1) 50 pH to 1000 pH (e.g. about 0.5 nH) to account for power plane spreading capacitance. 2) 50 pH to 3000 pH (nominal value ~ 1.5 nH ) due to via and pad inductance. Therefore, a value for total mounted equivalent series inductance (under typical mounting conditions) is: ESL = 1.94 nH + 0.5 nH + 1.5 nH = 3.94 nH which yields series resonant frequency of: f0 = 1/(2pi*sqrt(ESL*C)) = 1/{2pi * sqrt [( 3.94E-9) * ( 100E-9 )} f0 ~ 8.02 MHz Are my numbers and assumptions OK? Thanks for sharing your expertise. Abe Riazi ServerWorks ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu