[SI-LIST] Re: IBIS question
- From: "Stephane Tremblay" <strembl1@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'Ray Anderson'" <ray.anderson@xxxxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:37:29 -0400
Thanks for all the answers ON and OFF-line. I was able to combine my two
models into one. By analyzing the "active termination" model, I realized
that VI curve of this active termination was in POWER Clamp and GND Clamp.
So I just added this response to the more complex IO model (also in Power
Clamp and GND Clamp), also removed the "active termination" model, and sim
is OK now.
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Cc: Stephane Tremblay; Ray Anderson
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: IBIS question
Stephane-
Unless you zero out the values in the [Package] section of your IBIS
model, those model parasitics will still be in the circuit when you put
the parasitics external to your model in the main spice deck. (you may
be accounting for the parasitics twice).
Also, are you certain that there is no per-pin parasitic info in your
IBIS model? If it is present it will be utilized and the min/max/typ
numbers in the [Package] section will be ignored. (so even if you zeroed
out the min/max/typ numbers you could still be double counting in this
case).
It is a little difficult to determine exactly what you are doing from
the info given in your post, so if I'm barking up the wrong tree just
ignore the suggestions :)
-Ray Anderson
Xilinx Inc.
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> On Behalf Of Stephane Tremblay
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:26 PM
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> Subject: [SI-LIST] IBIS question
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> Hi SI-Listers,
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> I am using a DDR IO buffer that has not been designed in-house.
The
> macro provider did provided us with an IBIS model for the Termination
AND
> another IBIS Model for the IO itself (since there is active
termination on
> DDR2). Since the two are connected on the same PAD at the die level, I
did
> the same on the simulation deck. By doing so, I got nasty sim results
and
> after investigation I realized that Package info was present on both
IBIS
> models.
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> As I think I am a smart engineer, I tried to decoupled the package
info
> from
> the actual two IBIS models that I have, but I don't get the same
results
> if
> I put the parasitic outside the IBIS vs. inside the IBIS.
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> Anyone has a clue why?
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> How do I get Package Parasitic outside the IBIS? Just setting RLC
discrete
> values outside did not reproduce the same sim.
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> Here is the Parasitic I need to separate from my Model:
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> [Package]
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> | variable typ min max
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> R_pkg 0.58 0.48 0.68
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> L_pkg 5.80nH 4.10nH 7.50nH
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> C_pkg 0.58pF 0.51pF 0.65pF
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> |
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> Thanks,
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> Steph.
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