[SI-LIST] Re: Hidden noise margin problems

Hello, Tim,

Normally, I would expect the Vih and Vil in the IBIS model to match the
datasheet.

Having a negative margin in the datasheet sounds like something that should
be brought to the attention of the manufacturer, so they can fix the
datasheet appropriately.  This could (probably will) also impact their
in-house testing, etc.

Best regards,
Lynne


"IBIS training when you need it, where you need it."

Dr. Lynne Green
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Hidden noise margin problems

SI Community,
Is it common for the Vih and Vil on a datasheet to be specified under
worst-case conditions (70/30% VDD w/ VDD @ min/max conditions), while the
IBIS model for the part only specifies Vih and Vil at VDD @ nominal (even
thought the model may have min and max VI and VT corners)?

I've now found this to be the case on two completely different parts from
completely different manufacturers.  What it seems to create is a worst-case
simulation that appears to behave fine, but a worst-case noise margin
calculation (based on the datasheet) that has little to even negative noise
margin.

Case in point:

Driver has spec'd Voh = 2.4V and the receiver has a Vih = 0.7 * VDD = 0.7 *
3.465V = 2.4255V 

-25.5 mV of noise margin

However, the net simulates just fine across all corners (model Vih = 2.31)


Is this a common problem?  I would think that Vih and Vil in the model
should match that in the datasheet, especially if is dependant on the rail
voltage of the part.

Comments?


Regards,

Tim Nash

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Timothy J. Nash, P.E.
Honeywell, Inc.
Defense & Space Electronic Systems
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